Confused about dressing modestly

lozlg

Muslima for 1 year!
Salam Alaikum, I took my shahadah a few weeks ago and i have bought a few long cardigans to cover my arms and shape of my body. A muslim sister told me not to throw my clothes away as i can wear these at home. She was telling me that she went into town a few days ago and saw some young muslim sisters wearing hijabs, waist length cardigans with three quarter length sleeves (had there forearms on show). They also had tight jeans/trousers on so the shape of their figures could be seen. Ive seen a few girls like this as well and it just confuses me. Why are they wearing hijab but showing flesh and the shape of their middle area? Is this ok? I don't really know what i should be covering but one thing that i hate is wearing long sleeves and covering my forearms. Its probably just me because im not used to it but it makes me feel frumpy and it's going to take time for me to get used to it but of course I will do it for Allah if thats what he tells us to do. I would like to read for myself the verses in the Quran about womens dress, hijab etc. Can anyone tell me the surah - verses? Thanks
 

zbhotto

Banned
Salamualikum

Dear Sister;
Welcome to ISLAM. Allah (SWT) has chosen you for His paradise. Anyone who died in the sate of tawhid (ISLAM) he/she is guaranteed to go to paradise. May Allah (SWT) keep you steadfast in ISLAM.

Allah (SWT) has urged the people not to die except being a complete muslim.

Everything depends on maturity. As a new sister in ISLAM you should not make a big switch if you are unsure whether you could be able to stay on it. In my opinions you can start with wearing loose pant/shirt and a head scarf. As you go along and become used to it then you can wear complete Hijab.

Note that Fasting was voluntary in the first 13 years of the prophethood of prophet Muhammad (PBUH). In this way Allah (SWT) trained the new muslims about fasting. Then Allah (SWT) make fasting a farz i.e., mandatory for the muslims.

This same way can also be found in prohibiting alcohol. Alcohol was prohibited in three stages. At first alcohol was discouraged while prayer. Next salah was prohibited in a druken state. At last Alcohol was prohibitted altogether.
Salam
Zulfiquar
 

salahdin

Junior Member
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ






Al-Noor

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed. (31)
24:31







Tafsir Ibn Kathir



بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ



The Rulings of Hijab








This is a command from Allah to the believing women, and jealousy on His part over the wives of His believing servants. It is also to distinguish the believing women from the women of the Jahiliyyah and the deeds of the pagan women. The reason for the revelation of this Ayah was mentioned by Muqatil bin Hayyan, when he said: "We heard -- and Allah knows best -- that Jabir bin `Abdullah Al-Ansari narrated that Asma' bint Murshidah was in a house of hers in Bani Harithah, and the women started coming in to her without lower garments so that the anklets on their feet could be seen, along with their chests and forelocks. Asma' said: `How ugly this is!' Then Allah revealed:


[وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَـتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَـرِهِنَّ]


(And tell the believing women to lower their gaze...)'' And Allah says:


[وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَـتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَـرِهِنَّ]


(And tell the believing women to lower their gaze) meaning, from that which Allah has forbidden them to look at, apart from their husbands. [Some] scholars said that it is permissible for women to look at non-Mahram men without desire, as it was recorded in the Sahih that the Messenger of Allah was watching the Ethiopians playing with spears in the Masjid on the day of `Id, and `A'ishah the Mother of the believers was watching them from behind him and he was concealing her from them, until she got bored and went away.


[وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ]


(and protect their private parts). Sa`id bin Jubayr said: "From immoral actions.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah said: "Every Ayah of the Qur'an in which protecting the private parts is mentioned means protecting them from Zina, except for this Ayah --


[وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ]


(and protect their private parts), which means protecting them from being seen by anybody.''


[وَلاَ يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا]


(and not to show off their adornment except that which is apparent,) means, they should not show anything of their adornment to non-Mahram men except for whatever it is impossible to hide. Ibn Mas`ud said: "Such as clothes and outer garments,'' Meaning what the Arab women used to wear of the veil which covered their clothes and whatever showed from underneath the outer garment. There is no blame on her for this, because this is something that she cannot conceal. Similar to that is what appears of her lower garment and what she cannot conceal. Al-Hasan, Ibn Sirin, Abu Al-Jawza', Ibrahim An-Nakha`i and others also had the same view as Ibn Mas`ud.


[وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ]


(and to draw their veils all over their Juyub) means that they should wear the outer garment in such a way as to cover their chests and ribs, so that they will be different from the women of the Jahiliyyah, who did not do that but would pass in front of men with their chests completely uncovered, and with their necks, forelocks, hair and earrings uncovered. So Allah commanded the believing women to cover themselves, as He says:


[يأَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ قُل لاًّزْوَجِكَ وَبَنَـتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَـبِيبِهِنَّ ذلِكَ أَدْنَى أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلاَ يُؤْذَيْنَ]


(O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known, so as not to be annoyed) [33:59] And in this noble Ayah He said:


[وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ]


(and to draw their (Khumur) veils all over their Juyub) Khumur (veils) is the plural of Khimar, which means something that covers, and is what is used to cover the head. This is what is known among the people as a veil. Sa`id bin Jubayr said:


[وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ]


(and to draw) means to pull it around and tie it securely.


[بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ]


(their veils all over their Juyub) means, over their necks and chests so that nothing can be seen of them. Al-Bukhari recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "May Allah have mercy on the women of the early emigrants. When Allah revealed the Ayah:


[وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ]


(and to draw their veils all over their Juyub), they tore their aprons and Akhtamar themselves with them.'' He also narrated from Safiyyah bint Shaybah that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, used to say: "When this Ayah:


[وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ]


(and to draw their veils all over their Juyub) was revealed, they took their Izars (waistsheets) and tore them at the edges, and Akhtamar themselves with them.''


[وَلاَ يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ ءَابَآئِهِنَّ أَوْ ءَابَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَآئِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِى إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِى أَخَوَتِهِنَّ]


(and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons,) All of these are a woman's close relatives whom she can never marry (Mahram) and it is permissible for her to show her adornments to them, but without making a wanton display of herself. Ibn Al-Mundhir recorded that `Ikrimah commented on this Ayah,


[وَلاَ يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ ءَابَآئِهِنَّ أَوْ ءَابَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ]


(and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers...), "The paternal uncle and maternal uncle are not mentioned here, because they may describe a woman to their sons, so a woman should not remove her Khimar in front of her paternal or maternal uncle.''With regard to the husband, all of this is for his sake, so she should try her best when adorning herself for him, unlike the way she should appear in front of others.


[أَوْ نِسَآئِهِنَّ]


(or their women,) this means that she may also wear her adornment in front of other Muslim women, but not in front of the women of Ahl Adh-Dhimmah (Jewish and Christian women), lest they describe her to their husbands. This is prohibited for all women, but more so in the case of the women of Ahl Adh-Dhimmah, because there is nothing to prevent them from doing that, but Muslim women know that it is unlawful and so, would be deterred from doing it. The Messenger of Allah said:


«لَا تُبَاشِرِ الْمَرْأَةُ الْمَرْأَةَ فَتَنْعَتَهَا لِزَوْجِهَا كَأَنَّهُ يَنْظُرُ إِلَيْهَا»


(No woman should describe another woman to her husband so that it is as if he is looking at her.) It was recorded in the Two Sahihs from Ibn Mas`ud.


[أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـنُهُنَّ]


(or their right hand possessions. ) Ibn Jarir said, "This means from among the women of the idolators. It is permissible for a Muslim woman to reveal her adornment before such a woman, even if she is an idolatress, because she is her slave-girl.'' This was also the view of Sa`id bin Al-Musayyib. Allah says;


[أَوِ التَّـبِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُوْلِى الإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ]


(Tabi`in among men who do not have desire,) such as hired servants and followers who are not at the same level as the woman and are feeble-minded and have no interest in or desire for women. Ibn `Abbas said, "This is the kind of person who has no desire.'' `Ikrimah said, "This is the hermaphrodite, who does not experience erections.'' This was also the view of others among the Salaf. It was narrated in the Sahih from `A'ishah that a hermaphrodite, used to enter upon the family of the Messenger of Allah and they used to consider him as one of those who do not have desire, but then the Messenger of Allah came in when he was describing a woman with four rolls of fat in front and eight behind. The Messenger of Allah said,


«أَلَا أَرَى هَذَا يَعْلَمُ مَا هَهُنَا لَا يَدْخُلَنَّ عَلَيْكُمْ»


(Lo! I think this person knows what is they are; he should never enter upon you.) He expelled him, and he stayed in Al-Bayda' and only came on Fridays to get food.


[أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُواْ عَلَى عَوْرَتِ النِّسَآءِ]


(or children who are not aware of the nakedness of women. ) Because they are so young they do not understand anything about women or their `Awrah or their soft speech or their enticing ways of walking and moving. If a child is small and does not understand that, there is nothing wrong with him entering upon women, but if he is an adolescent or approaching adolescence, so that he knows and understands these things, and can make a distinction between who is beautiful and who is not, then he should not enter upon women. It was recorded in the Two Sahihs that the Messenger of Allah said:


«إِيَّاكُمْ وَالدُّخُولَ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ»


(Avoid entering upon women.) It was said, "O Messenger of Allah, what do you think about the male in-laws'' He said:


«الْحَمْوُ: الْمَوْتُ»


(The male in-law is death.)





The Etiquette of Women walking in the Street






Allah's saying:


[وَلاَ يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ]


(And let them not stamp their feet...) During Jahiliyyah, when women walked in the street wearing anklets and no one could hear them, they would stamp their feet so that men could hear their anklets ringing. Allah forbade the believing women to do this. By the same token, if there is any other kind of adornment that is hidden, women are forbidden to make any movements that would reveal what is hidden, because Allah says:


[وَلاَ يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ]


(And let them not stamp their feet...) to the end of it. From that, women are also prohibited from wearing scent and perfume when they are going outside the home, lest men should smell their perfume. Abu `Isa At-Tirmidhi recorded that Abu Musa, may Allah be pleased with him, said that the Prophet said:


«كُلُّ عَيْنٍ زَانِيَةٌ، وَالْمَرْأَةُ إِذَا اسْتَعْطَرَتْ فَمَرَّتْ بِالْمَجْلِسِ فَهِيَ كَذَا وَكَذَا»


(Every eye commits fornication and adultery, and when a woman puts on perfume and passes through a gathering, she is such and such) -- meaning an adulteress. He said, "And there is a similar report from Abu Hurayrah, and this is Hasan Sahih.'' It was also recorded by Abu Dawud and An-Nasa'i. By the same token, women are also forbidden to walk in the middle of the street, because of what this involves of wanton display. Abu Dawud recorded that Abu Usayd Al-Ansari said that he heard the Messenger of Allah , as he was coming out of the Masjid and men and women were mixing in the street, telling the women:


«اسْتَأْخِرْنَ فَإِنَّهُ لَيْسَ لَكُنَّ أَنْ تَحْقُقْنَ الطَّرِيقَ، عَلَيْكُنَّ بِحَافَّاتِ الطَّرِيقِ»


(Keep back, for you have no right to walk in the middle of the street. You should keep to the sides of the road.) The women used to cling to the walls so much that their clothes would catch on the walls.


[وَتُوبُواْ إِلَى اللَّهِ جَمِيعاً أَيُّهَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ]


(And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.) means, practice what you are commanded in these beautiful manners and praiseworthy characteristics, and give up the evil ways of the people of Jahiliyyah, for the greatest success is to be found in doing what Allah and His Messenger command and avoiding what He forbids. And Allah is the source of strength.
 

a_muslimah86

Hubbi Li Rabbi
Staff member
Well to answer your question..any Muslim or Muslimah aware of the correct conditions of hijab will tell you that..

*No, what they are wearing is not okay!*

To help you understand the correctness and conditions of hijab below are two links for you to read which will help you inshallah..please take the time to read through them as they are of scholarly sources..

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/214/شروط الحجاب (general outline of hijab conditions)

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/6991/شروط الحجاب (detailed description and obligation of hijab)

Welcome to Islam ukhti..take things step by step with a sincere intention and believe me *all* will become easy for you! :)..may Allah keep you strong in faith and practice of His deen and reward you with the highest paradise of Al-Firdaws..Ameen!

:wasalam:
 

DanyalSAC

Junior Member
Welcome to Islam sister! And thank you for this post, and for the replies. I remember when we invited Yusuf Estes to our community and we had two events that had him as the speaker. I managed to make it to the 2nd event, and most of the attendees were from the local university. My sister (non Muslim) was with me and I was a bit shocked at what I saw...

Just as the new sister mentioned I saw sisters wearing hijab with skin tight dresses (some so tight it showed their panty lines), make up, jeans & t-shirts, or with the hijab pulled back to expose the earlobes with their dangly earrings. And as I'm looking for a wife, my first thought was "Wow... is this what I have to choose from???"

To me, a sister in a hijab/abaya/niqab is a walking Hadith.
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
may Allah reward you for ur belief .

sister, learn Islam frm Quran and Sunnah and not muslims.

in early generations, muslims were living Quran but sadly not anymore.

if muslim girls are wearing hijab with tight clothes and make-up, its wrong. hijab means covering the body completely and not only few hairs.

so, ur clothes should:

1. cover ur body fully. (face, hands can be shown)

2. not tight to reveal body-shape

3. not very attractive.

hope that helps!

may He help you to stay in His path
 

~Ali_

Fixing da foundation
Assalamualaikum sister - welcome to Islam :)

My 2 cents is that... dont dress like:

I saw sisters wearing hijab with skin tight dresses (some so tight it showed their panty lines), make up, jeans & t-shirts, or with the hijab pulled back to expose the earlobes with their dangly earrings.

Because if your gonna pop on the hijab covering your cute little head and exposing everything else............. then whats the point of covering your head? Is it raining?
 

Asiya-sparkles

Junior Member
Salam Alaikum, I took my shahadah a few weeks ago and i have bought a few long cardigans to cover my arms and shape of my body. A muslim sister told me not to throw my clothes away as i can wear these at home. She was telling me that she went into town a few days ago and saw some young muslim sisters wearing hijabs, waist length cardigans with three quarter length sleeves (had there forearms on show). They also had tight jeans/trousers on so the shape of their figures could be seen. Ive seen a few girls like this as well and it just confuses me. Why are they wearing hijab but showing flesh and the shape of their middle area? Is this ok? I don't really know what i should be covering but one thing that i hate is wearing long sleeves and covering my forearms. Its probably just me because im not used to it but it makes me feel frumpy and it's going to take time for me to get used to it but of course I will do it for Allah if thats what he tells us to do. I would like to read for myself the verses in the Quran about womens dress, hijab etc. Can anyone tell me the surah - verses? Thanks

Assalamu alaikom wa rahmat Allahi sister,
you hit the nail on the head when you said it will take time to get used to!

I think you learn a new way to appreciate clothing, but being covered doesn't have to mean frumpy, you just need to modify your 'eye' with which you view fashion. I personally think it is something you learn slowly, small steps, but that when you stop trying to mix western concepts of fashion with islamic dress code you reach success!

Look at fashions (there is a thread here) from muslim countries and you often notice that frumpy is the last thing a muslimah needs to look inshAllah!

Loose and opaque clothing that covers all except, hands, face and feet is what has been enjoined upon us.

May Allah ease your transition sister ma'shAllah

fi amanillah
 

icadams

Junior Member
As-salamu Alaykum wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

Pace yourself sister, do the best that you can with yourself and do not be to critical of others for only Allah, subhana wa ta'ala, knows what is in their hearts.
 

revert2007

Love Fishing
i know for women who convert to islam is much much much tougher than men.u have to cover ur awra and let the whole world know that ur a muslim.but isn't it salehah women are more blessed and loved? :hearts:

u must wear veil and loose cloths.take baby steps sis.but plz no tight cloths.u dont hv to throw ur old cloths coz u can wear it at home where there are only mahrams.u can buy some abaya which is much better.but still its ur choice of what u want to wear.Allah has mentioned clearly that women should wear veil till it covers their chest.we call it khimar
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
No, it's not actually okay. But everyone already explained that. all I want to say is not to judge anyone too harshly because you never know why someone is doing stuff like that. Most likely they are just trying to be fashionable, but you never know - maybe some of them are reverts themselves or new to wearing hijab and haven't had the time or money to replace their wardrobe.
 

muslimsista234

New Member
Assalam alaykum sis

welcome to islam :SMILY206:

May Allah protect you

There are so many good sisters on this site where here to help inshallah :hijabi:

i get so inspired by people who revert to islam i find it interesting and want to know thier journey to islam and this is a major turing point in a persons life subhanala :hearts:

masalm
 

IHearIslam

make dua 4 ma finals
:salam2: beloved brothers and sisters!!!

well, as the brothers and sisters told you, it's NOT correct!!! but I only wanted to say something about this:
I saw sisters wearing hijab with skin tight dresses (some so tight it showed their panty lines), make up, jeans & t-shirts, or with the hijab pulled back to expose the earlobes with their dangly earrings.
this doesnt suprise me as I was like that in the PAST!!! alot of this sisters may NOT know the correct Hijab, and I am talking about an experiace here!! before I started wearing abaya and the head covering (Khimar). I was one of these sisters!!:astag: and yea I LOVED fashion and I still do.....but when I was wearing those type of clothing; it was because I didnt know the correct Hijab, it's conditions, etc. I thought as long as my clothes are long and my head is covered Iam HIJABED!!! that was what I thought!!! I just wanted to say lets educate the rest and be supportive of them....while they too do the research inshaAllah!! brother Danyal, in the last part of that sentence you said "wow, is that what I have to choose from"?? brother, if the ONLY bad thing you see in the future wife is that incorrect Hijab....I would encourage you to seek Ajar or REWARD from guiding her to the correct Hijab!! that would be loads of a bleesssing to you because Allah will give you a great reward!!!
I hope you understand my point of view here, lets not push aside others when we can be of a great hep to them inshaAllah:D

take care, and I ask Allah to make it easy for all the reverts!ameen

:hearts:Allah hafiz now and alwaysssss:hearts:
 
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