:salam2: Respected sister harb,
I was going to send this by pm but decided to just send it here. Inshallah, this will be my last post in this thread.
Hi Jen,
Good idea to post it here.
..the video that you posted was exactly like all those videos you see on you tube showing <thus, in their mind, proving> that Muslims teach hatred and violence
This video is just an accumulation of news reports from western media sources and although I didn't watch the entire video (contains Music), its actually up to the viewers discretion as to how they choose to interpret the contradictory statements of the Israeli government representatives and the news reports which prove them wrong.
By posting this video and saying "LOOK! This proves Israel is violent" <which I'll grant you>, you were doing the same thing in the same way as the Zionists that you hate so much.
You forgot to add that Zionists actually DO do most of the killing and commit the war crimes, I think this is the detail you overlook in your judgements most of the time.
Taken from
Islamqa.com regarding knowledge:
There is no goodness in knowledge which is not confirmed by action, or words which are not confirmed by deeds:
“O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do?
Most hateful it is with Allâh that you say that which you do not do”
[al-Saff :2-3]
Where does it say that you are allowed to use with your brother what you have already condemned another for using? It doesn't make sense.
I kindly request you to stop trying to teach Muslims their religion. Its inappropriate for you to do this and none of us appreciate you applying these Ayaat to this context without any authority. Just leave it be, I can't tell you to 'Fear Allaah' because you don't believe, but you really should, before you try using His words like this.
Would you take the words of a Professor of Science or a medical doctor or some other expert and attempt to interpret and apply them to a random context? You would be very stupid to do so. These are the words of Allaah, if you want to stick around on a Muslim site, I request you show some more respect for the Qur'aan.
Any group or organization can take snip-its and clips and flashes of still shoots and make it into a propaganda film <which this is> for their own needs. I was only trying to point that out <not agreeing one way or the other about Zionists/Zionism> when Justoneinmillion attacked me unfairly.
Any individual who isn't part of any organisation can easily see with their own eyes and hear with their own ears the contradictions in Israeli policies towards the Palestinians. Just switch on your TV and take off your Uncle Sam sunglasses. (The truth isn't that blinding, trust me).
I thought that maybe I wasn't understanding the definition of Zionist correctly so I asked. The responses I got were not what I expected. My question was treated as a joke. I can understand however that emotions may have been stirred up a bit but when I tried to post links to sites proving that all Jews didn't support the Zionist movement in how it treats Palestinian people...and these were international organizations...again it was pass off.
Thankyou, we know not all Jews are Zionists.
Let me make this clear to you, because of this thread, I've done alot of research and about the only things I know for sure is this..
Good.
1) If Jews want to have a country of their own, fine, that should be their right.
2) Palestine should have recognition in the UN for their statehood. Why this isn't a "no-brainer" is beyond me.
Palestine was already a state prior to the declaration of Israel; if Jews want their own state, and America is so concerned for this to be and insists on giving support, then how about we start off with giving the Jews one of the American states? It might not be big enough, maybe two of them?
Lets see you and your neighbours pack your bags and give up your homes to Jewish settlers, hows that going to go down with you? Not very well, I imagine. Any other suggestions?
There is nothing I can do to stop the situation in the middle east. I can't make the wars end. I can't make the death stop. I can't make the governments shut up so that they can listen.
Don't worry, none of us are holding our breath on this one..
What I CAN do is learn more about the real Islam..
This is great, please continue to do this. Remember your limits as a non-Muslim in using the Qur'aan and evidence from the Hadeeth, you are not qualified to apply these to various contexts, the average Muslim isn't even qualified to do this.
Peace is achieved one person at a time. If I can prevent one person from hating just a little bit less...
Peace is achieved through delivering justice. There is no peace without justice and the world powers can continue playing their games all they like, but until they deliver
justice they will have no peace.
I leave you with the short incident which demonstrates how world leaders today, could maybe sleep a little easier:
One afternoon a Roman emissary arrived in Madeenah on important diplomatic business with the Khaliph.
When he enquired as to the whereabouts of 'Umar radiAllaah anhu, he was directed to a man sleeping peacefully under a tree: with no bodyguards, no weapons, no fortifications and no security.
The Roman messenger marvelled at this sight: the sight of the leader of millions of people sleeping peacefully under a tree without a care in the world. He then remarked his famous words that remain etched into history until today:
'O Umar! You ruled. You were just. Thus you were safe. And thus you slept.'
Have a nice day.