Who is the leader of sunnis?

[BrotherInIslam7]

gandhi wasnt a great leader imo; nehru was a far better. he had the class (i cant find a better word to describe it)! And ahmedinijaad is far better than anything the sunnis have to offer. educated, practical, simple, effective and leads by example.

:salam2:

I think you have been dished some Shia'a propaganda. First of all, there is more than clear evidence that Mr Ahmedinajad rigged the iranian election. The landslide victory in re-election was announced barely after all the votes were cast. It is almost impossible for them to count and him being the Ayatollah's man, he was elected.

If you like him just because he is an annoyance for the west, then that's your choice. But he is no great leader. How can a man with a good heart or conscience lead a country that targets and kills its own people ? Intruding into homes and killing people, innocents whose only 'sin' was to expose the rigged elections.

Mr Ahmadinajad is not educated visionary either. The iranian economy has slumped and is in dire straits. There are record rates of unemployment (which is why young folk detest him). Also, if you understand farsi, you would have known about the superstitious statements he has made, fooling poor ignorant masses of his country.

How can you say that he is better than most Sunni leaders when most of them has strived to preserved the essence of islam 'tawheed', whereas the relgious clerics promote shirk in name of prophet's family ?

I think a major problem is that muslims think that by aping Kuffar we are going to match their prosperity and military might. This is not our success. Our success is re-establishing the tawheed of Allah on muslim lands. May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala grant it to us. Ameen

And I think you should read their views on Sunni muslims. I guess their description of Sunnis will have a profound effect on what you think of them, to say the least.

Wasalaamalaykum

 

[Ayyub]

Salam:

The Sheikh's are in a sense the leader of the followers of ahlu sunna waljam'a.
To say we want a leader like Umar al khattab (ra) or Salahuddin Al Ayyubi (ra) is a bit unfair casue our ummah nowaday isn't as it was in the past.
The ummah which these two great personalitys led filled the masjid in the fajr prayer like it was a salah al Joum'a.
If we become great beliver like the ummah in the past used to be then we surely will get great leaders that will only rule on sharia.
But we nowadys are badmouthing the Ulama and the Ulama themselves are speaking bad about each other.

So do we deserve great leader like the previious mentioned once?
At the time I would say no but the time will nshallah come where our ummah would deserve such great people.

Besides this persons had a united ummah not an ummah divided into 73 groups/partys/manhaj etc.

wa'laikum isalam

 

[arzafar]

:salam2:

I think you have been dished some Shia'a propaganda. First of all, there is more than clear evidence that Mr Ahmedinajad rigged the iranian election. The landslide victory in re-election was announced barely after all the votes were cast. It is almost impossible for them to count and him being the Ayatollah's man, he was elected.

If you like him just because he is an annoyance for the west, then that's your choice. But he is no great leader. How can a man with a good heart or conscience lead a country that targets and kills its own people ? Intruding into homes and killing people, innocents whose only 'sin' was to expose the rigged elections.

Mr Ahmadinajad is not educated visionary either. The iranian economy has slumped and is in dire straits. There are record rates of unemployment (which is why young folk detest him). Also, if you understand farsi, you would have known about the superstitious statements he has made, fooling poor ignorant masses of his country.

How can you say that he is better than most Sunni leaders when most of them has strived to preserved the essence of islam 'tawheed', whereas the relgious clerics promote shirk in name of prophet's family ?

I think a major problem is that muslims think that by aping Kuffar we are going to match their prosperity and military might. This is not our success. Our success is re-establishing the tawheed of Allah on muslim lands. May Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala grant it to us. Ameen

And I think you should read their views on Sunni muslims. I guess their description of Sunnis will have a profound effect on what you think of them, to say the least.

Wasalaamalaykum

kindly go through my responses to abu talib. i have answered all those points.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Where are we going with this post.

 

[Abu Talib]

Assalaam walaikum,

Where are we going with this post.

Iran calling!! just kidding.

Its just discussions we are having. Arzafar and me are going to meet at the U.N to decide the fate of Ahmedinijad.lol

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Iran calling!! just kidding.

Its just discussions we are having. Arzafar and me are going to meet at the U.N to decide the fate of Ahmedinijad.lol

Lol ..nice!

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

My sons asked me yesterday what I thought I was. They think I am only American. I said I am of Pakistani descent. They corrected me. They told me their grandmother still insists she is Indian. My father insisted he was Pakistani. My sons and a sister turned around and all stated you were born in Iran. So you have a right to be Irani. Iran holds a spot in my heart.

Have fun with your discussions. Be kind to my Irani brothers and sisters. Do not go to the UN...today I am relaxing so I am not going to rant and rave...but do check out the history of the UN...the United Nations of the Kuffir New World Order..the devil's playground.

Everything we want in leadership is what is Not in the UN.

Behave sons and Insha'Allah you will have a good day.

 

[arzafar]

well we were supposed to come up with profiles of some muslims in our city, town, community who we hope will be our future leaders. Nothing to report on that front so far.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Sometimes before we can have a leader we need to define what it is that we need leadership. What issues do we need to have a leader address. Or are we in agreement, in a sane and rational and Muslim way. Why are disagreement.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

well we were supposed to come up with profiles of some muslims in our city, town, community who we hope will be our future leaders. Nothing to report on that front so far.

:salam2:

We are all leaders ourselves. Leaders of our lives and in some cases, heads of our family.

Before we assess how heads of state and community leaders are faring, we should determine the state of how the 'Ameer' in ourselves is. How much of the shariah have we complied by and brought in our lives ? And how much have we spread over those we have influence over and to our colleagues at work, school etc.

Are we developing from our family, muslim leaders of the future ? That is the question we should be asking first and foremost.

 

[arzafar]

:salam2:

We are all leaders ourselves. Leaders of our lives and in some cases, heads of our family.

Before we assess how heads of state and community leaders are faring, we should determine the state of how the 'Ameer' in ourselves is. How much of the shariah have we complied by and brought in our lives ? And how much have we spread over those we have influence over and to our colleagues at work, school etc.

Are we developing from our family, muslim leaders of the future ? That is the question we should be asking first and foremost.

You are confusing personal responsibility with leadership. I guess aapa is correct, we'll have to discuss leadership and the essential characteristics of a muslim leader before identifying anyone.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

They don't call me the old wise one for nothing.

Please continue to discuss your issues. And yes we can have both individual responsibilites and that which will provide leadership for the greater good. We are headed in the right direction. We need to remain positive. We need to look at our past and present.
As an American I see critical areas that need to be addressed; we need cohesion here. What I am seeing here is the rise of the child that was born in the states to immigrant Muslim parents and dealing with how to live Muslim as an American.
Another issue I see that must be recognized is the prejudice within the Muslim communities. That is the topic of yet another post.

Please share your thoughts.

Insha'Allah you will have a day blessed with constant dirk and salat.

my love,
your aapa

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

You are confusing personal responsibility with leadership. I guess aapa is correct, we'll have to discuss leadership and the essential characteristics of a muslim leader before identifying anyone.

:salam2:

No, I am not confusing the two. I am just mentioning a common trend which I used to follow myself, before someone made me realize about a few years back.

We are consumed in critically examining our nation's leaders, politicians, community leaders etc and lamenting that how they have abandoned ruling by the Quran and Sunnah and have become slaves or puppets to the west.

In reality, we are no better than our leaders, if we were to only scrutinize our own lives and see how we have gone about it and what we have contributed. Close to zilch for most us.

A leader is born among us. He is not manufactured in a factory. Therefore, he/she is a reflection of our state. When a good sizable number of people become upright from a nation, community etc; we can hope for an upright leader. Till then, we can dream on.

 

[arzafar]

:salam2:

No, I am not confusing the two. I am just mentioning a common trend which I used to follow myself, before someone made me realize about a few years back.

We are consumed in critically examining our nation's leaders, politicians, community leaders etc and lamenting that how they have abandoned ruling by the Quran and Sunnah and have become slaves or puppets to the west.

In reality, we are no better than our leaders, if we were to only scrutinize our own lives and see how we have gone about it and what we have contributed. Close to zilch for most us.

A leader is born among us. He is not manufactured in a factory. Therefore, he/she is a reflection of our state. When a good sizable number of people become upright from a nation, community etc; we can hope for an upright leader. Till then, we can dream on.

brother what are you talking about?

The idea was to identify people who
-follow islam in letter and spirit
-have contributed to the betterment of islam and muslims
-have leadership qualities
so that we can rally around them and hopefully they can represent us in the future. atm even the muslims who are following islam are all over the place. We have to survive in this world. we have to make sure we get the jobs, get married, education etc. off course some people are doing this noble work but it's sporadic. Hence the need of leadership.

A leader is born among us. He is not manufactured in a factory. Therefore, he/she is a reflection of our state. When a good sizable number of people become upright from a nation, community etc; we can hope for an upright leader. Till then, we can dream on.

i disagree with this theory. if it were true, prophets would never make it into the world. there is a sizable number of people following islam. if 5% of the 1.5 billion muslims are following islam correctly that still means we have 75 million true muslims!!!

 

[swukhti]

as salaamu alaykum to all of y'all,

with regards as to who is the leader of the sunni then it would be our beloved Prophet (saw) he left us with an example, a guidence that if we follow we will not stray bi'idnillahi ta'alaa... obviously the world we live in now aint the same subhanAllah but thats why we have the Ulamaa to answer our questions as they are much more knowledgable then us regarding matters of the deen as well as past scholars who were upon the manhaj of the salaf-as-salih the pious generations and who have left books on this topic...

im assuming you are talking about a khalifah? a leader of the muslim ummah, correct me if im wrong but i thought it would be imaam mahdi? and it's been stated in haditsh that he will come just before the arrival of Isa allayhi salaam? buh allahu a'lam

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

akhi arzafar,it's a good question.especially for every brother who reads this.brothers!!!yes coz girls in islam are not allowed leadership.and for good reasons too if someone might ask why

my Question from my brothers is"which one of you here is educating himself to lead us"think we all know we need one badly,we all know what kind we need,we all know what he has to follow.we got brilliant example for us and i think everybrother of mine is responsible for turning his back on the ummah.everyine waiting for someone to step up when it cuold be you.may be not lead the whole ummah.a group of pious ppl,who may do gr8 stuff.so many times i wanted to do what i have to for my brothers and sisters in islam but i need my father and brother for that coz they are my leaders but they won't lead me in good as this(like everone else)they call a spade a spade but just sayng won't do.so my question to akhi is......

"WHY WON"T YOU STEP FORTH BE A LEADER.DEVELOP THE QUALITIES"
we may know a gr8 leader in the days to come.personaly,i think some brothers i know here who wud do well to lead us.if i ever told them this they'll think i've got head injuries coz none of the brothers is ready to take the responsibility

long rant!!!sorry

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

brother what are you talking about?

The idea was to identify people who
-follow islam in letter and spirit
-have contributed to the betterment of islam and muslims
-have leadership qualities
so that we can rally around them and hopefully they can represent us in the future. atm even the muslims who are following islam are all over the place. We have to survive in this world. we have to make sure we get the jobs, get married, education etc. off course some people are doing this noble work but it's sporadic. Hence the need of leadership.

:salam2:

Firstly my dear brother in Islam, I would advise you to begin your posts with the greetings of salaam to your brothers and sisters. BarakAllahu Feek.

What you have mentioned above can be achieved if we learn to respect and listen to what our scholars say. We have to learn from them and that will be the success of our Ummah with the will and mercy of Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala.

i disagree with this theory. if it were true, prophets would never make it into the world. there is a sizable number of people following islam. if 5% of the 1.5 billion muslims are following islam correctly that still means we have 75 million true muslims!!!

Prophets propagated their call to Tawheed and spread it far and wide. Unlike present day, when our beloved sisters and brothers are going towards the opposite ie Jahaliyya and following the kuffar.

And by this I don't mean that they are migrating. I am talking about their thoughts on life and their mindset.

However, as you rightly mentioned there are still committed muslims who are trying to give dawah to fellow muslims and to non muslims.

May Allah guide us Ameen

 

[arzafar]

:salam2:

Firstly my dear brother in Islam, I would advise you to begin your posts with the greetings of salaam to your brothers and sisters. BarakAllahu Feek.

What you have mentioned above can be achieved if we learn to respect and listen to what our scholars say. We have to learn from them and that will be the success of our Ummah with the will and mercy of Allah subhaanaho waa ta'ala.




Prophets propagated their call to Tawheed and spread it far and wide. Unlike present day, when our beloved sisters and brothers are going towards the opposite ie Jahaliyya and following the kuffar.

And by this I don't mean that they are migrating. I am talking about their thoughts on life and their mindset.

However, as you rightly mentioned there are still committed muslims who are trying to give dawah to fellow muslims and to non muslims.

May Allah guide us Ameen

:salam2:

thanks but yeah well maybe i cant express myself.

a few days ago there was a request made on tti from a sister who cant get a job. now imo having a leader would have helped. she would have known that if i write to the muslim leader X, Y or Z, he might do something etc.

There are numerous other advantages of having leadership.
look at the jews, how they help and facilitate their own. how they land the best jobs, admissions to top unis, know the ins and outs, have the best training etc.
whereas the muslims can only think of some new conspiracy theory. I mean they are plotting and planning but what are we doing? We cant even help a sister land a job. We dont even have a world wide riba free bank where she could apply for a loan and begin a her own business or an islamic hosiptal where she could train to become a nurse. what choice do we leave her with other than to take off her hijaab or approach a riba based bank? What about the HIVmuslimah? why cant we help her other than with words? Some islamic organizations are assisting muslims but many of these organizations are harming islam because of their hidden agendas.

Hence the importance of leadership from lowest to the highest level. And that's where your point about personal responsibility comes in. But as bad as we are, we have millions of responsible muslims. Muslims never go for quantity over quality anyway. Our efforts could be multiplied through effective organization and direction. Then we have the larger geopolitical issues to address.

Scholars have done their job by defining the parameters, but we still have to enact those principles. oh and women have their role as well; everybody's going to have to work hard. Umar (ra) took advice from women too.

btw i think we are in dire need of contemporary women scholars. somebody who's fatwa may be quoted. It would help muslim women a lot! why dont muslim women aim for islaamic scholarship? I think it would help revive women's status in Islam. I dont think it is against islam for women to become scholars so why cant i imagine the grand 'sheikh' of muslims being a woman.

 

[Amir_of_spain]

Asalam Wailkium.

If you look at the Middle East current leaders you will find that the majority are all from royal families. They live their entire life following the orders set to them by their western masters. The result is the wealth of the Muslims gets misused, the defending of Islam and her citizens gets abused, the continual occupation of the holylands and further western military incursions continues with no end in sight.

The only voice that does dare to speak and take action is the presidency of Ahmedinejad!

Now i realise that many bros find that hard to digest, that the only voice (i.e. Muslim Nation) that is standing up to U.S. and Zonist aggression is a) Non Arab, ie Iranian and b) Non Sunni, ie Shia based.
You got to put your religious idealsim aside and see what is actually taking place in real life, on the ground level. Name me one other Muslim leader or country that is actively trying to push back Zonist supremacy and U.S. Imperialism within the region?

Muslims in that region are fed up of being conquered, destroyed and bombed at by disbelieving Zionists who see themselves as racially superior to anyone, and the U.S. Army who enjoy degrading and humiliating Islam.

King Abdullah of Saudi, Shiekh Mohammad of Dubai, Emir's of Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain, the Yemeni gov, Hosni Mubarak, they're all Western Puppets. Ahmedinejad and his gov is the only ones who have the guts to fight back. Therefore you have to give them credit for this, if you disagree then who else do you have? Give me another Muslim figure, not from the past or the future, but someone that exists now, in the present, who is standing up to this foriegn aggression.

Amir of Ice-cream.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Asalam Wailkium

Now i realise that many bros find that hard to digest, that the only voice (i.e. Muslim Nation) that is standing up to U.S. and Zonist aggression is a) Non Arab, ie Iranian and b) Non Sunni, ie Shia based.

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Standing up to kuffar is not shouting 'Death to America', kidnapping American citizens and denying the holocaust. These are all political suicides on an international level that isolate their countries from the rest of the world and cripple a country's economy and hinders development.

Not to mention that they deceive their own people by blaming anyone who criticizes their govt's ruling as a spy/agent of the west, who is subsequently tortured and put to the death.

And you have quite conveniently overlooked how these evil men slaughter and persecute our Sunni brethren at every opportunity they get. Tell me, how a champion of muslims, outwardly stands in solidarity with them and then comes back and slaughters them. Is this standing up for the rights of muslims ?

I would gladly take the puppets in middle east who atleast don't persecute their own people and though flawed, they take care of their people and have established tawheed and deen on their lands. They build masjids and support the cause of dawah across the globe and help their muslim countries in times of need. May Allah azz zawajal guide our rulers and caretakers to judge and rule according to Quran and Sunnah and overlook their shortcomings. Ameen

Fudayl Ibn ’Iyaad (d.187H) – rahimahullaah – said: “If I had a supplication that would be answered, I would not make it, except for the ruler. Because when the ruler becomes righteous, the towns and the servants become safe and secure.” Refer to Hilyatul-Awliyaa‘ (8/91-92).

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi