Wasalamoalaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu. . . I got the impression from the addition of ". . .and moving" and since he's defending this and not pointing so to me it appeared as if its about pointing and moving. I suppose you are right. Also, it could be that the Arabic gives a clearer picture of what he's conveying and that the english translation messed it up. Allah knows best. Actually it's his conclusions that set me into thinking it's all about moving the finger. Also, my aunty saw me doing it and she said Sheikh Sudais once performed the whole trick for the audience at large on TV. She said they were focusing his finger and he was moving it ( I don't know how true that is). Then my cousin saw me and said her teacher (from Al-huda I think) has taught her this way too. All added up and here's the result. I feel kind of silly now. Either I didn't pay enough attention to the words while I was reading, or my lack of knowledge fooled me. I messed up on a lot of "wordings". They convey one thing and I take them as something else. JazaakAllaah khair for corrections. Ameen wa Iyaak. No problem Inshaa'Allaah. Isn't it feeki for females? If this>>> even if the hadeeth was proven to be authentic... refers to: then I think you got it wrong. Here he's talking about the narration of Az Zubair I think (as I read in sister BasicofIslam's thread)i.e he's talking about it being weak and "even if (say for the sake of argument) it is authentic then. . .(followed by the rest of his words). Your mentioning of Sh.`Abdullaah al-Fawzaan's fatwaa doesn't make sense here. Unless you are saying that he said the even if the Hadeeth of waail ibn hujr (Sheikh Albaani's weapon) was authentic "then the salaf would have acted upon such a narration. . ." Till the end of your quote. Sorry if I am the one who it all wrong. I find the other opinion stronger. Especially if waail ibn Hujr's hadeeth has such a strong opposition. 12 narrators as per you and 14 as per a brother at Multaqa. Cool! jazaakallaha khair. Please share the daleel for this one if it's short. If it's going to be an extensive discussion (like they usually tend to be due to my questions) then I think I'll make a separate thread since I've turned this thread into "answer my questions" instead of "Islamic word meaning"! Yeah, I've been doing that. Partially because they start picking up on me when they see how I pray. Like just yesterday my sister went, "so why aren't you moving the finger now"? I said nothing. I have to be sure myself to answer them this time. Jazaakallah khair. I hear Fiqh is a delicate subject. And that studying it without a teacher means danger. Inshaa'Allaah He Sobhanuhu wa taa'la will make a way out. If I can I will study it. I understand, may Allaah grant me (and all others who have the same problem) the taufeeq to "put my head down". I've heard his lectures "comtemporary issues" and had a book(Urdu translation) called "Tawheed ka qilaa" or "Daira"(?)[Fortress (or circle) of Tawheed]. I was going to read it and my cousin robbed me of it. I'm not sure when I'll get it back. I only read one page, But my parents read this book and they said it was "wonderful"! Ameen again, May Allaah grant you 70 times more in return. As for the typing, Don't mention it. It will be best if you can have a go at the word Moa'lal. I don't know the answer to it, and may be the others are in the same position.