Seeking Allah's Mercy
Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
Wa `alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh
Wasalamoalaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu. . .
I got the impression from the addition of ". . .and moving" and since he's defending this and not pointing so to me it appeared as if its about pointing and moving. I suppose you are right. Also, it could be that the Arabic gives a clearer picture of what he's conveying and that the english translation messed it up. Allah knows best.I only understand (from the above) that it was the opinion of Imaam Maalik that one should supplicate while pointing his finger in Tashahhud. Again, if Imaam Maalik held the opinion that it is sunnah to move the finger- it would have been explicitly narrated from him, rahimahullaah.
No problem. But as I mentioned earlier- the question that was asked to Imaam Ahmad was regarding "Ishaarah" (Pointing) and not "Tahreek" (Moving)
Actually it's his conclusions that set me into thinking it's all about moving the finger. Also, my aunty saw me doing it and she said Sheikh Sudais once performed the whole trick for the audience at large on TV. She said they were focusing his finger and he was moving it ( I don't know how true that is). Then my cousin saw me and said her teacher (from Al-huda I think) has taught her this way too. All added up and here's the result. I feel kind of silly now. Either I didn't pay enough attention to the words while I was reading, or my lack of knowledge fooled me. I messed up on a lot of "wordings". They convey one thing and I take them as something else. JazaakAllaah khair for corrections.
Ameen wa Iyaak. No problem Inshaa'Allaah.May Allaah increase you in good and beneficial knowledge. BaarakAllaahu feek for typing all that up- I think there are many pdfs of his book available... you could have asked me to look it up in one of them. Would make my lazy self do something useful.
Isn't it feeki for females?
If this>>> even if the hadeeth was proven to be authentic... refers to:As mentioned before- even if the hadeeth was proven to be authentic... then the salaf would have acted upon such a narration. none of the books of Fiqh from the Salaf had a even a chapter on 'moving the finger in tashahhud'
then I think you got it wrong. Here he's talking about the narration of Az Zubair I think (as I read in sister BasicofIslam's thread)i.e he's talking about it being weak and "even if (say for the sake of argument) it is authentic then. . .(followed by the rest of his words). Your mentioning of Sh.`Abdullaah al-Fawzaan's fatwaa doesn't make sense here. Unless you are saying that he said the even if the Hadeeth of waail ibn hujr (Sheikh Albaani's weapon) was authentic "then the salaf would have acted upon such a narration. . ." Till the end of your quote.Further the hadeeth thay he would not move his finger does not have an authentic isnaad, as I have explained in Da'eef Abi Daawood (175). Even if it were authentic it is negatory, while the above hadeeth is affirmatory: the affirmatory takes precedence over the negatory , as is well known amongst the scholars.
Sorry if I am the one who it all wrong.
I find the other opinion stronger. Especially if waail ibn Hujr's hadeeth has such a strong opposition. 12 narrators as per you and 14 as per a brother at Multaqa.Again, Sh. Albaanee is a mujtahid and a scholar and this is a matter of ijtihaad anyway- so inshaa'Allaah one can follow his ruling if he feels it is correct.
The fixing of the sight on the finger was weakened by scholars too- yup another issue. Don't worry about it... just mentioning as a point of benefit- as you like to know the variety of opinions.
Cool! jazaakallaha khair. Please share the daleel for this one if it's short. If it's going to be an extensive discussion (like they usually tend to be due to my questions) then I think I'll make a separate thread since I've turned this thread into "answer my questions" instead of "Islamic word meaning"!
Yes- but make sure that you don't fall into the traps of many people... that what they do is only correct- I mean in small fiqhi matters (not `Aqeedah): For ex... moving the finger, placing hands on the chest, going hands down or knees down etc... Many of these issues were greatly disputed by the Fuqahaa']
Yeah, I've been doing that. Partially because they start picking up on me when they see how I pray. Like just yesterday my sister went, "so why aren't you moving the finger now"? I said nothing. I have to be sure myself to answer them this time.
It might be a good idea to study Usool al-Fiqh too... so that one has a foundation to stand on- in terms of fiqhi rulings. And when one studies Usool al-Fiqh, then one begins to appreciate the scholarly differences of opinion (where Ijtihaad is permissible).
Jazaakallah khair. I hear Fiqh is a delicate subject. And that studying it without a teacher means danger. Inshaa'Allaah He Sobhanuhu wa taa'la will make a way out. If I can I will study it.
I understand, may Allaah grant me (and all others who have the same problem) the taufeeq to "put my head down".I would really really advise and encourage you and every other aspiring student of knowledge to study arabic. For this is the key to knowledge and without it- one cannot even study fiqh properly or any thing else from the knowledge of the Qur'aan and the Sunnah and its sciences. If one was to seriously put their head down- they can go to a decent level of arabic in no time. Trust me- I really cannot stress the importance of this mighty language.
I've heard his lectures "comtemporary issues" and had a book(Urdu translation) called "Tawheed ka qilaa" or "Daira"(?)[Fortress (or circle) of Tawheed]. I was going to read it and my cousin robbed me of it. I'm not sure when I'll get it back. I only read one page, But my parents read this book and they said it was "wonderful"!To be honest- I have actually never read any of his books. I just briefly skim read through the chapters of his Usool al-Hadeeth book months back (and it looked pretty easy to understand) and another tafseer book- in my local masjid. Many people have told me that his books are excellent- maa shaa'Allaah. Although the little bits I have read from his works... are excellent- as he has a very nice way of writing maa shaa'Allaah
BaarakAllaahu feek for the link. May Allaah raise your ranks in the hereafter and make you from those who seek beneficial knowledge and act upon it. May Allaah reward you for typing all that up for me.
Wassalaamu `alaykum
Ameen again, May Allaah grant you 70 times more in return. As for the typing, Don't mention it.
It will be best if you can have a go at the word Moa'lal. I don't know the answer to it, and may be the others are in the same position.