Syrians are calling, but we are silent!!!

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    Joint Declaration on Syria by 107 Muslim Scholars from throughout the Arab World

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    Violence, torture, and bloodshed are being meted out by Syria’s despotic regime and its supporters against this beloved country’s innocent people. It is a black stain that will never be forgotten. God will make the innocent blood of the Syrian people a shame and pestilence upon those who shed it and those who stood by and said nothing, as well as upon the individuals, organizations, nations, and institutions which have allied themselves with the corrupt regime.

    Every day brings news of dozens or even hundreds of new deaths, and the number of those who are maimed is many times higher. Families are being driven into exile, atrocities are being committed, and a violent security crackdown is being systematically pursued, even in the face of clear and absolute worldwide condemnation.

    The undersigned invoke the principle, enshrined in the Qur’an and in Prophet Muhammad’s teachings: that all human life is inviolable and sacred, as are all the human rights that Islam upholds and protects. Indeed, the Qur’an links the sin of bloodshed with no less than the worship of other than God, when its says: “And those who do not worship other that God, nor kill a soul in other than the dispensation of justice, nor commit adultery…”

    The Qur’an also warns us that the murderer is deserving of God’s wrath, His curse, and eternal damnation. God has decreed that someone who kills any human being, except in the dispensation of justice as a punishment for murder or in confronting those who spread violent mischief in the land, it is as if that person has killed all of humankind. Likewise, someone who saves the life of any human being, it is as if that person has saved all of humanity. On this basis, we issue the following resolutions:

    1. Members of the Syrian military, security forces, and other armed bodies, are forbidden to kill any member of the public, or to fire in their direction. Moreover, it is incumbent upon them to disobey any order that is directed at the public, or that will result in killing members of the public. Moreover, it is their duty to stop serving in those bodies and to cease all involvement. Those who have already killed members of the public should bear in mind that the crime of killing two people is double that of killing one. The door to repentance is always open. They should recall the story of the murderer who repented to God after killing 99 people, take heart, and refrain from committing further bloodshed. They should not let their past offenses make them despair of God’s forgiveness. It is better to be killed for refusing than to be a killer. Someone who dies an innocent martyr is better than someone who kills others and as a consequence goes to Hell.

    We declare that it is forbidden to continue serving in any position with Syria’s military or security forces under the present circumstances. It is their duty to disengage from those bodies and furthermore, to stand against them.

    2. We call people to support the Free Syrian Army in defending Syria’s civilians, population centers, and institutions, as long as the Syrian public is being targeted by the regime. We call upon the Muslims and upon the free world to assist the Free Syrian Army in every possible way, whether materially or morally, in order for it to mobilize itself for the role of preventing atrocities. It is, in turn, the duty of the Free Army to exercise control, avoid any deviation from this noble purpose, and refrain from acts of vengeance or aggression against the innocent. Any ignoble act on their part will only endanger Syria’s future national unity.

    3. It is necessary to support the Syrian resistance, materially and morally, with what they need to keep up the struggle and win the freedom and human rights of the Syrian people.

    4. We call upon all Arab and Muslim nations to take a firm diplomatic stance against the Syrian regime by expelling its ambassadors and cutting off diplomatic ties. We also call upon them to take a firm diplomatic stance against the nations supporting the regime, particularly Russia and China.

    We likewise call upon all Muslim people and public institutions to send messages of protest to those two countries, protest in front of their embassies throughout the world, and boycott their products. They should demand that those countries stop using the blood of innocent Syrians as a means to protect their military and economic presence in the region. Those countries should know that the future of the region, sooner or later, rests with its people. Those who gamble on supporting a regime’s despotic crackdown killing its own citizens are surely making a losing wager.

    5. We call upon the Syrian resistance, the Transitional National Assembly, and all other organized bodies to join ranks and set aside their differences – now and in the future. They should resolve with full sincerity to build their future nation on the basis of justice, human rights, and freedom, and to establish their country upon institutions that will ensure its unity and its people’s welfare. It is their duty to protect the rights of Syria’s religious and ethnic minorities. These minorities have been an integral part of the Syrian people for over a thousand years. They, like everyone else, enjoy full rights of citizenship. The present regime alone bears responsibility for the atrocities being committed.

    6. We call upon the sincere forces in the Muslim world to organize grassroots efforts everywhere in support of the Syrian people’s resistance, and to provide aid for the refugees and those whom the conflict has displaced to places like Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. These people have a pressing need for food, clothing, medicine, and moral support.

    7. We give our support to every effort being made to safeguard the lives and unity of the Syrian people, and to save them from a protracted war that will only bring ruin to the country. We consider this to be in keeping with the main purposes of Islam’s teachings. These efforts should lead to free elections that will express the will of the people, represent the full spectrum of Syrian society, protect their rights, and ensure a sensible distribution of political power, as well as compensate the victims of the present conflict and the families of those who have lost their lives.

    We ask God to hasten the relief of the beloved Syrian people, preserve their unity, and bring them together upon truth and justice. We ask Him to restore to them their security and stability under a just government that is truly committed to upholding their inalienable rights and freedoms, one that will never seek to dominate the people or succumb to corruption. May all their affairs ultimately fall to those who are upright.

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    Assalamu Alaikkum wa rahamatullahi wa barakatuhu,

    Please listen to the fatwa of Shaykh Usamah Ibn 'Ataayah al 'Utaybee. It has everything we need to know about this crisis. Press "cc" for translation.

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    To quote the essential parts:

    Watch the complete video for the rest of the ruling.

    Baarakallahu feekum

    Wassalamu Alaikkum
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    Assalamu allaicum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu dear brothers and sisters

    Please watch this touching and sad video by our litlle brother.Our hearts can not be silent when seeing suffering of our Muslim brothers and sisters,and as Muslims we should try as much as we can to help them.

    May Allah protect our beloved Muslim brothers and sisters in Syria and all our Ummah.Ameen.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5SSzrEXIQs[/ame]

    :wasalam:
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    Okay i am not inciting anyone but madkhali scholars would label any one rising up against rulers as "khwaarij" whereas every one rebelling against a ruler might not be a khwarij yaani who would call Abdullah bin zubair(ra) or saaed bin Jubair(ra) a khwaarij!.

    How are you going to measure capability in these days when we have unconventional warfare(i.e hit and run as we have seen in afghanistan) and tiring the enemy?? . Secondly Syrian people are not just armed with "knives" . They have weapons which are just enough to wage a guerilla warfare .

    Also you wont find any fatwa from scholars of the salaf that you cant defend yourself when you dont have enough weapons On the contrary scholars like Ibn tamiyyah(ra) have written it many times that when muslims are attacked then they have to defend themselves.

    Now i do agree that the demonstrations which have music or free mixing are haram. But what about the demonstrations that dont have that and are only for Allah's law and Haq. And Hanabila were famous to demonstrate for their demands and we didnt see a fatwa from Imam Ahmad Hanbal or his followers condemning them !!!

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    Likewise they call for democracy, freedom and slogans of ignorance
    I have not seen them calling for democracy rather most of them are calling for shariah . As for freedom, well yes it is freedom from nusayri kaffirs.


    In the end i want to say that we all should follow the way of prophet(sa),sahaba(ra) and the salaf and not blindly follow a particular "SECT". Some of the Madkhalis have gone to extremes in their HIZBIYYAH and labeling anyone who doesnt agree with them as "deviants","off the manhaj" e.t.c and they are well known to have opposed any kind of struggle in Afghanistan,Chechnya,Iraq and elsewhere whereas it is well known about the scholars of the salaf that they held the opinion that when a muslim land is occupied, the occupiers have to be resisted. I dont see any difference between Americans occupying Afghanistan and Nusayris occupying Syria.

    and I dont intend to change the course of debate from syria to a debate on "madkhalis". But for those brothers and sisters who dont know the background. watch this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xCaU0fN2opY#!
    press cc for translation.
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    Assalamu Alaikkum wa rahamatullahi wa barakatuhu,

    As for defending oneself when attacked, yes, no one is saying it is not allowed. But, this crisis didn't start like that. It started with demonstrations. So I am not saying that the people who are being attacked should not defend. It was regarding the demonstrations after which the killings increased.

    The Shaykh was talking about making takfeer on muslim rulers who are not rawafidha and their likes. They are Khawarij. Why do you modify and distort the words and talk about completely different thing?

    As for rest,

    Please watch - http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=552285&postcount=1

    and also, Major Scholars of Ahlus Sunnah demolish the Madhkhali Myth.

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    What more proofs do you need? Are you going to call these scholars also followers of sect?
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    Waalaykumsalam Warahmatullaah Akhil Kareem,

    May i know who are the 107 Muslim scholars?

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    as salam 'alaykum

    always, when there is a way to get victorious, way to get free, way to get rid of the humiliation and the oppression
    which possibly or for sure going to cost a sacrificing of blood or money, we find always a escape go.

    and this is why! as we don't want to change our state, Allah wont gonna help us.
    rather He will replace us by better generation, possibly in the near future.

    now i want to draw a question:

    always we talk about going against leader is not permissible, according to such and such scholar's opinion.
    we can not do Jihad, or jihad is not fardh al ayn or these things.

    what about the Amir, when he will come and he will call for Jihad, against whom?
    wont he be going to go against the rulers of his time?

    well then whom gonna say then to him, this is not permissible to go against the leaders?

    wa-llahi we have to go through the lives of sahabi radhi Allahu anhum wa ajmaeen, the lives of the later scholars, later leaders.

    who wants to talk about Salahuddin al ayyubi rahmau-llahi alayhi, go and find his stories.
    go and find the background stories of the battle of Hittin.

    didn't at his time Muslims leaders joined with the crusaders to fight salahuddin al ayybi rahmatu-llahi alayhi and they released Raynald de Chatillon?
    and what salahuddin ayyubi said?



    and for whom we are waiting? for which Amir, if we are sitting and waiting for the leaders to be defeated, i don't see a difference between then us with the hizbut tahrir?


    go and look for what the scholars said about that battle, the role of the the warriors, the role of the muslims.
    and the scholars like, Imam dhahabi rahmatu-llahi alayhi, what Ibn Shaddad rahima-llhu ta'la said.


    Salahuddin rahima-llahu ta'la fought with the muslims leaders, more than the non-muslims,. he fought over 10 years, he fought the muslims and muslims leaders.


    and we find people today, saying, situation in Palestine is political, situation in Syria is not religious but political.

    subhan Allah, when did the blood of believers become non-religious issue?

    may Allah save us from hellfire


    and who was salahuddin rahima-llhu ta'la
    A sultan of Syria.

    what he has done for us and what we are doing?

    Sheikh Abul hasan nadvi rahima-llahu ta'la said:
    He (salahuddin) was mumin, muhammadi, muslim, the only language he used to understand, is the language of Quran and Islam.

    and we, today we are reactionists against the Syrian people, when the same issue was going through other parts of the world, when we were?


    Allahu a'lam

    may Allah subhanahu wa ta'la forgive me, if i said something wrong

    this is my understanding, that Allah is not going to ask about what did we do for what others said.
    we will be asked for our deeds, no escape go making the rulings of scholars as shield


    may Allah save our brothers and sisters in Syria
    may Allah protect our brothers and sisters

    Allahu a'lam
    wassalamun 'alayka
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    Assalaam walaikum,

    If I understand you correctly brother you do raise an excellent issue. Help me out...I do not understand and need to know why this is not a political issue. When did this become an Islamic issue. Are there really Muslims killing Muslims? What is all this media propaganda? In short, where are the facts of this mess? Someone tell me what is going on..because all I am trying to do on this end is keep my head above water.
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    as salam 'alaykum

    okay, i didn't directly mean you and you are not the only person to say that.
    i said there: how come the shedding of blood of the believers be a non-religious issue?

    if it is, then let it be how it is going and let the POLITICIANS to take care, who are we to talk, discuss or take care?

    and if we say, no, for the sake of the humanity, we are concern, then what is the difference between us and the disbelievers, likewise i found the news in yahoo news or somewhere else, in a university students made a machine for a disable classmate and when they graduated, they presented it to him and when he walked with the help of the machine, they were all clapping and crying, crying like babies.

    Alas, how empty and fake their feelings are, the same day may be their forces made not only disable but also killed well formed, able, normal, fit men, children, women, oldies in the face of the earth.

    subhan Allah


    barakAllahu feekum

    wassalam
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    Assalaam walaikum,

    I did not take anything personally. I am just trying to comprehend.

    The essential question becomes what are the Syrians fighting for and furthermore, what are they seeking. What is the result they wish to accomplish. Therein lies the confusion.

    This question has been stated over and over again.

    Also, and I am very careful with this..some of the posters need to understand that the ranting can lead to calling Believers hypocrites. We need to be delicate.
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    syrians are calliing, but we are silent

    :salam2: As you said we are silent. Also you were actually right we must fight to make syria free and strong. We are Muslim and we have to help. People who really need us. Syrians mothers and childrens and family are running away from the bomb no where to be almost 7000 peole died from the bombs and gun shot and 30 of them are injured. May Alllah tell us what to do to help them:tti_sister:
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    Assalaam walaikum,

    InshaAllah, May Allah guide us to do right.
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    Walaikum salam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh . First of all do you agree that demonstrations if they are meant for enjoining the good and forbidding the evil are OK. as I told you before that hanabila demonstrated against abbasids for their demands and didnt prophet(sa) say that"saying truth infront of a tyrant ruler is high form of jihad". Now you are saying that syrians shouldnt have said a word against kaffr Bashar al assad who has been waging a war against islam for many years.

    also what is your position regarding the occupation of other Muslim lands like Afghanistan.. Because syria also was a Muslim land before being occupied by the Nusayris its just that muslims have risen up now.


    Now the issue of khurooj, and when a Muslim ruler becomes a disbeliever is a whole different thing. All I am saying is that there are times when a person doing such (takfeer of rulers and khurooj) might be khwaarij and times when they might not be.. Abdullah bin Zubair(ra) and Saeed bin jubair(ra) did not rebel against rawaafid but against hajjaj bin yousaf. But lets not talk about this issue since we all agree that the syrian ruler is a Kaffir. So I wont talk about this khurooj thing anymore , you can make another thread on that.

    The scholars like Ibn uthaymin,bin baz,albaani(may allah have mercy upon them all) are not the ones I meant. I was referring to other extreme followers of sheikh rabi al madkhal. Again i can also post long lectures and refutations but its not the issue of this thread.
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    well here is a list of them

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    Sheikh haitham al haddad i also there on the list.

    recently there was another fatwa given by Sheikh Ayedh Al Qarni to kill Bashar al assad.
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    :salam2:

    i wonder is is islam that scholars (even there is 107 of them) can even give kind of fatwa as killing someone. Killing one person doesn´t even change situation in Syria when there is full regime who continues same ruling after him.
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    :salam2:

    Yes killing one person does not change a thing, but changing the whole regime would. Establishing Allah's laws on land.
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    :salam2:

    Look at the seerah of the Prophet :saw:, he even asked the sahabas to carry out assassination missions. Let me ask you a question, why can't a scholar give a fatwa to kill someone?
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    Wassalamu alaikkum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

    Ya habibi, do you see the problem? You are using hadith and Qur'anic verses as proofs for whatever opinion and desire you have. No daleel nothing.

    Regarding what you attributed to Prophet :saw2: :

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    So, it has to be done in seclusion, before the unjust ruler. Not, demonstrations and strike. And secondly demonstrations are not for enjoining good and forbidding the evil. They are not from Sunnah. If it is allowed, the Prophet :saw2: would have mentioned it or Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala would have mentioned it. It is adapted from the kufaar methodology and it is evil and fitnah. Listen to what Ulema have to say:

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    And yes these are for muslim rulers and Bashar-Al Assad is not a muslim. And like the post before that I posted, rebelling against him is permissible if the conditions (that the Shaykh mentioned ) are completely met. What you do is assume everything is met and they have enough capability to win the war and be happy... Do you know the condition there for real? I do not know and I do not believe what media everything that media shows me. There should be a balanced judgement.

    The Scholars had said, the Jihad against the Russian occupation was legitimate (If that is what you are talking about). Stop using your own analogies. You can't assume things and make decisions. There are enough nusayris living in syria not just the ruler. And I do not know where you get your information regarding condition in Syria? AlJazeera? BBC? CNN? Amateur uploads on youtube? So, now, they are the ones whom you rely on?


    Regarding what you say of Saeed bin Jubayr rebelled against al-Hajjaj, see what Shaykh Al-Fawzan has to say :

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    Ibn Sa'd relates in his Tabaqaat al-Kubraa (7/163-165):
    It is narrated from al-Hasan al-Basree (d.110), as mentioned in Minhaj us-Sunnah of Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (4/528):

    Allah Subhanu wa ta'ala, says, in Qur'an :
    You do not know whom you are fighting for? These demonstrations began as pro-democratic strikes and there are enough youtube videos showing those events.There are Nusayris also in Syria and also, these pro-democracy people. There are also believers, I agree. But, I do not know how much are they and what are their condition. You cannot just jump into decisions seeing youtube videos and getting all emotional and sensational. All you people do is incite people with your innovated revolutionary ideology with no daleel from Scholars of Ahlus Sunnah. If it is needed and situation arises, the scholars will issue a fatwaa. We are laymen, you have to acknowledge that we are laymen and we can't issue our fatwa inciting people on internet.

    Ya akhi, extreme followers of Shaykh Rabee Al Madkhali? Scholars have praised him: Shaykh Al Albaani, Ibn Baaz, Ibn Uthaymeen, Salih Al Fawzaan and more . Shaykh Al Albaani has specifically praised his refutation of Sayyid Qutb. And you call extreme followers of Shaykh Rabee? Just because he doesn't talk like you desire? So, you spread lies about him and do scandel mongering and eat his flesh? We respect him and love him, because he gives proofs and we follow his evidence from Qur'an and Sunnah.

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    Go, read and listen to Ulema, akhi. Respect the scholars and those who they praise. Act with knowledge of Sunnah, not with revolutionary innovated religious enthusiasm or desires. As for starting a new thread, you were the one who brought the "Madkhali" topic when you had no other daleel to support your statements, you started slandering Shaykh Rabee and making him scapegoat of your woes and this is of course known of people of your kind.
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    :salam2:

    Oh yeah, Yusuf Al Qaradawi is also on the list, So now you join with Ikhwan al Muslimeen?

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