saudi women at Olympics

[Hard Rock Moslem]

That's your point of view and I respect it, but why do women have to be more modest than men? All the women who took part in the Olympics chose to wear equipment which helped them perform as well as they could in their sport. For them, and for me, that's all that matters.
You say that now "...millions are watching them for free." Would it be different if people had to pay to watch them? That's pretty weird.
I guess the difference in our viewpoints is that you think that it is the duty of women not to tempt men, whereas I think it is the duty of men to treat women with respect however they want to dress.

In Islam, both men and women have their respective duties. I find, women have less duties to God than men. An Islamic woman if she take care her chastity, obey Allah and the Prophet, pray on time, fast, obey husband, she will enter jannah (paradise). If she does commit a sin, she will be answerable. If her husband commit a sin, she is not answerable for her husband.

But for men, they have bigger responsbilities. They shoulder their own sins as well as his wife or wives sins and children sins. He has a duty to be the bread winner, wife is not required to work. In fact, a wife not even required to do household chores, the husband is required to hire a maid to do it. What's wife's duty then? To take care her husband and to raise the children. It is easier to be women than men actually. The only extra duty is to cover with proper hijab when she is outside. That's all.

O you who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, over which are (appointed) angels stern (and) severe, who disobey not, (from executing) the Commands they receive from Allah, but do that which they are commanded. [Holy Qur'an, At-Tahrim, Chapter 66 Verse 6]

The above verse is referring to Muslim men.

Regarding "watching for free", what I mean is there are women committing sin by appearing nude but they get paid for that. At least she can enjoy this world with the money she earn and to suffer later by hellfire. But these women on the street exposing for free, they earn a sin, no one paying them to walk semi nude or nude or topless, so they are losing both in this world and life after. I'm not encouraging any women to expose and get paid, I'm saying those get paid to expose are stupid and those expose for free are morons. I hope you got my point.

 

[Townie]

These Muslims don't even know or understand where or how these damn olympics originated. These games originated from pagan believes. It is important ask WHY AND FOR WHAT REASON! and people just forget to do that. Even Chrisitians banned these games in the 1800s because of it's pagan origins.

Could you provide more information about this please. When were the games banned?

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Asalamo`Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh,

She can use "we" because she reprsent me.

BaraakAllaahu feek.

Salam alaykum;

Wouldn´t that be more correct and more judical if you replace "we" by the word "I" as I don´t know who you represent if you write that "we don´t agree".

Just my remark.

Our brother answered. I was talking on behalf of all those who agreed with me.

Salam alaykum;

I wonder why just Saudi females in olympic seems to be so big issue. They aren´t first muslim sisters take part of kind of games. Have you forgot these sisters for example:

That's already discussed ukhti.

Their freedom to be equal with men. Imagine if men had to wear the hijab? No, of course you can't...

Women can NEVER be equal to men. When x=y it means everything is exactly the same. Men equating women would be them being similar, physically, psycologically, biologically etc and we know that is not the case. We are very different.

Islam treats people with Justice. It's not a religion of equality but of Justice. Justice is maintained between men and women. Since you don't know even the basics of Islam, I don't expect you to understand this. And, I don't understand why everyone here is trying to help you understand Pythagoras theorem when you have trouble understanding something as simple as multiplication.

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Men will wear hijaab when they become women. We are bodily different and you will agree that there are kinds of clothes women wear that men don't. When you go out and shop for a nice "female swimsuit top" for yourself just to be equal to the women around you. My Muslim brothers may consider a hijaab.

Until then, know that you are ignorant of a lot of things about Islam and in no position to debate. This I say without causing any offense. If I have, then apologies.

 

[xAllahKnowsBestx]

Speaking of the Olympics, wouldn't it be great if women and men compete against each other in sports? I mean, people these days love to talk about equality, so lets see what this so-called equality actually looks like when implemented.

..Apparently it's only oppression when Muslims recognize the obvious differences between women and men.

 

[slaveofAllah88]

aslam o aliakum wa rahamatuAllahi wa barakatuhu

men do have hijab its the hijab of the eyes

Sahih International
Tell the believing men to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what they do. {24:30}

this is the beauty of islam, it fits to the individual needs, women need hijab to guard their adornments

And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment ... {24:31}

and women need to guard their eyes from impurity so they can be pure

one more thing, how can men n women be equal when they are not equal themselves we are different and islam does justice and is equal in justice to fit the gender need. How can men understand a mother who gave birth to a child her love who she carried for 9 months gave nutrition basically took a egg n sperm and with the mercy n will of Allah nourished it into human being SubhanAllah

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Ukhti, I think aap samag jaye ge who im talking to, a simple si baat, jab hum islam ki taraf bula rahe hote hain bohat naram dil aur sakoon se kam lena parta hai mein urdu mein sahi tara bol nhn pa raha lakin hope aap samag jaye ge, humhara kam hai sirf batana age Allah ki marzi hai hidayat dena please iss tara ke sentence " mein expect nhn karti aap ko samag na lage" se uss pe galat asr ho ga aur Allah (swt) iss bare mein hum se poch sakta hai, ALlah (swt) aap ko ajar di aap ki efforts par aur sorry agar koi baat buri lagi ho

Walaikum salam wa rahamatuallahi wa barakatuhu

 

[a_stranger]

Speaking of the Olympics, wouldn't it be great if women and men compete against each other in sports? I mean, people these days love to talk about equality, so lets see what this so-called equality actually looks like when implemented.

..Apparently it's only oppression when Muslims recognize the obvious differences between women and men.

Very true , people should think again.

 

[a_stranger]

aslam o aliakum wa rahamatuAllahi wa barakatuhu

men do have hijab its the hijab of the eyes

Sahih International
Tell the believing men to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what they do. {24:30}

this is the beauty of islam, it fits to the individual needs, women need hijab to guard their adornments

And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment ... {24:31}

and women need to guard their eyes from impurity so they can be pure

one more thing, how can men n women be equal when they are not equal themselves we are different and islam does justice and is equal in justice to fit the gender need. How can men understand a mother who gave birth to a child her love who she carried for 9 months gave nutrition basically took a egg n sperm and with the mercy n will of Allah nourished it into human being SubhanAllah

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Ukhti, I think aap samag jaye ge who im talking to, a simple si baat, jab hum islam ki taraf bula rahe hote hain bohat naram dil aur sakoon se kam lena parta hai mein urdu mein sahi tara bol nhn pa raha lakin hope aap samag jaye ge, humhara kam hai sirf batana age Allah ki marzi hai hidayat dena please iss tara ke sentence " mein expect nhn karti aap ko samag na lage" se uss pe galat asr ho ga aur Allah (swt) iss bare mein hum se poch sakta hai, ALlah (swt) aap ko ajar di aap ki efforts par aur sorry agar koi baat buri lagi ho

Walaikum salam wa rahamatuallahi wa barakatuhu

أَلَا يَعْلَمُ مَنْ خَلَقَ وَهُوَ اللَّطِيفُ الْخَبِيرُ

Ala yaAAlamu man khalaqa wahuwa allateefu alkhabeeru
67:14 Should He not know,- He that created? and He is the One that understands the finest mysteries (and) is well-acquainted (with them).

 

[Hajjerr]

So do as the men say. Live in a black sack because it is your fault that men can't control themselves. Sort of pathetic really...

I dont think you are here to understand us or islam, calling our cloths towels or black sack is rude to be honest and you are not even right. You dont have objectiv view, i dont have any cloth similar with a black sack, maybe you saw to many american movies, what you speek about is called abaya, but is not one obligatory dress. Nuns weare full cloths, do you mock them ? We can speek also about the weird outfits people weare this days, but no need. Just weare simple, covering cloths, this is the rule. My rule, not of my housband's or of my father, my parents are not even muslims, noone is punishing us. We have branded cloths and expensive cosmetics, but the fact that this is not our first issue in life, the fact that i pray and i dont eat harmfull things like pig...i dont think means we are less respectable women then non muslims. There is more about islam then what you think. Pathetic are those that forget that they where once a bunch of defensless cells grow up having the ideea they are self-sufficients. Good day

 

[Asja]

Townie: So do as the men say. Live in a black sack because it is your fault that men can't control themselves. Sort of pathetic really...

If you have came here to insolt us Muslims and our beloved Deen Islaam, remember that we also have a reason and words to defend ourselves from Non Muslims who share the same opinion like yours. I think that most of brothers and sisters here were enough patiente with you, but it is obvious that your intentions are not for the purpose of learning about Islaam, as you already hold your opinion about us. But Alhmadulillah we do not need your opinion to know what is correct and what is wrong, because for us is enough guidance from Allah subhanahu wa teala.

We are not " living" in any black towels as you have expressed yourself Astagfirullah, neither black cloth is complosery for Muslim woman Alhamdulillah, but we wear all cloth colors.Our cloth is simple, modest and beautiful Alhmadulillah,and its purpose is for the keeping of modesty of ourselves on the first place, and not for the sake of man as you have said. Islam is not only ordering us ( both man and woman) modest cloting, but as well Islam is ordering us lowering our gaze, modesty in speach, walk and behaviour in general. Lost are those who are dressing and living without any modesty or fear from Allah.

 

[Um Ibrahim]

Brothers and sisters,

There's no need to waste your time on someone who's only here to insult and judge something which he doesn't understand. His mind is closed up. But it's true that SOME Muslims follow blindly to what the kufar do without even knowing the benefit or lack thereof, that is in it for them and their belief. Olympics do have pagan origins. These games were started in Greece and were held to celebrate and honor "gods." Unfortunately many people don't know about that.


For anyone who wants to know more about the origins of the olympic games, read the information on the below link. It is really disturbing.

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ywy9aslk3M8C&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=origins+of+the+Olympic+games&ots=CKp3ARzNqZ&sig=wZnxob9lieLqSkOdbN49SchCgxI#v=onepage&q=origins%20of%20the%20Olympic%20games&f=false

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum;

of my mind it is not needed to remind that original olympic games were for pagan "gods" but remember they still are but now we call this "paganism" as money. Those games are just only for making money. Everyones want they piece from the cake - business men, media, organizations behind games, country where they are in each year as well athletes.

 

[Townie]

Brothers and sisters,

There's no need to waste your time on someone who's only here to insult and judge something which he doesn't understand. His mind is closed up. But it's true that SOME Muslims follow blindly to what the kufar do without even knowing the benefit or lack thereof, that is in it for them and their belief. Olympics do have pagan origins. These games were started in Greece and were held to celebrate and honor "gods." Unfortunately many people don't know about that.

For anyone who wants to know more about the origins of the olympic games, read the information on the below link. It is really disturbing.

So what? They don't honour pagan gods anymore. They do honour the achievement of athletes, most of whom are amateur and don't stand to make money out of competing. I think your life is poorer for choosing not to understand this.

 

[sister herb]

They still honour paganism but as I wrote we call it now as money.

I too wonder are you here really looking for knowledge about Islam or just increase your generalization of the your own opinions of Islam. If yes, you are troll what we have seen already enough.

 

[Townie]

They still honour paganism but as I wrote we call it now as money.

But as I said the majority of the athletes are amateurs who will not make money out of competing. Calling money a 'god' means nothing; even those who like to make money don't really worship it.
If you are really a 'human right activist' wouldn't you defend the right of athletes to compete if they want to? Or do you only defend people whose beliefs are the same as yours?

 

[sister herb]

But as I said the majority of the athletes are amateurs who will not make money out of competing. Calling money a 'god' means nothing; even those who like to make money don't really worship it.
If you are really a 'human right activist' wouldn't you defend the right of athletes to compete if they want to? Or do you only defend people whose beliefs are the same as yours?

Dear Troll;

Athletes are not under attacks in this world; they are like business, they take their piece of cake.

I fight for people whose are oppressed, under civil wars or occupation, and done it last 25 years. It has nothing to do with this thread at all. You better think what you are looking for from this forum than what I have done more than half of my life for others.

 

[sister herb]

Or do you only defend people whose beliefs are the same as yours?

Yes I do. I defend humanity.

 

[Townie]

Yes I do. I defend humanity.

Are you sure the answer to the question was 'Yes'? Not that I'm surprised after your sanctimonious ranting.

 

[sister herb]

Are you sure the answer to the question was 'Yes'? Not that I'm surprised after your sanctimonious ranting.

Is this what you want to learn about us and Islam? That to you we all are just your sanctimonious ranters? You are here mock as by our believes and cloths, right? If defending humanity means to you only your sanctimonious ranting I am sorry for you. You should think before you post.

I only can ask Allah open your mind some day.

 

[a_stranger]

So what? They don't honour pagan gods anymore. They do honour the achievement of athletes, most of whom are amateur and don't stand to make money out of competing. I think your life is poorer for choosing not to understand this.

There is no gods there is only one god who created all, this being is perfectly balanced it is showing the perfectness , the power, the glory of one will. Look into you heart you will find out the truth.

 

[Townie]

That to you we all are just your sanctimonious ranters?

Not all, just you.