asaalam alaikum
when I read the reply of jamafg I was totally knocked off my feet. How can someone even dare say that God does not love you if you are not a muslim? Give me a Quranic verse on this. Do you go around telling people that Allah (swt) does not love them! I think you better check yourself. Is it easy for you to convert to christianity or any other religion besides yours. NO. Then that goes the same for other believers, they do not find it easy to convert to Islam. Religion is part of our upbringing. (most of the time) it is like our culture, race. If your grandparents were christians, most likely your parents are christians, therefore more the likely that you will be a christian. With very few exceptions. The same with muslim grandparents, your parents will be muslim and you most likely are to be a muslim. Can we stop thinking that we are holy.
I will give you an example, what do you think about mother Theresa? She was a great human being. Yes she was. She did so much good to humanity. So you say God does not love her because she was a Catholic and not a muslim. Have you done half of what she has done? Then why does Allah(swt) love you and not her. because you are a muslim? You should be ashamed of your self for saying that. I am disappointed in you as a muslim for saying such horrible things. I have never met a Christian, Catholic, Jew, Buddist, Hindu etc that ever said God Does NOT love a non-muslim.
Right now I am feeling so hurt, I cannot even say anything else.
I will give you an example, what do you think about mother Theresa? She was a great human being.
How can someone even dare say that God does not love you if you are not a muslim? Give me a Quranic verse on this.
asaalam alaikum
when I read the reply of jamafg I was totally knocked off my feet. How can someone even dare say that God does not love you if you are not a muslim? Give me a Quranic verse on this. Do you go around telling people that Allah (swt) does not love them! I think you better check yourself. Is it easy for you to convert to christianity or any other religion besides yours. NO. Then that goes the same for other believers, they do not find it easy to convert to Islam. Religion is part of our upbringing. (most of the time) it is like our culture, race. If your grandparents were christians, most likely your parents are christians, therefore more the likely that you will be a christian. With very few exceptions. The same with muslim grandparents, your parents will be muslim and you most likely are to be a muslim. Can we stop thinking that we are holy.
I will give you an example, what do you think about mother Theresa? She was a great human being. Yes she was. She did so much good to humanity. So you say God does not love her because she was a Catholic and not a muslim. Have you done half of what she has done? Then why does Allah(swt) love you and not her. because you are a muslim? You should be ashamed of your self for saying that. I am disappointed in you as a muslim for saying such horrible things. I have never met a Christian, Catholic, Jew, Buddist, Hindu etc that ever said God Does NOT love a non-muslim.
Right now I am feeling so hurt, I cannot even say anything else.
I know a lot of Muslims are anti-zionist, but there are also Muslims for which this translates into anti-semitism, and they seek to destroy the entire Jewish population. This bothers me greatly. Related to the example you provided of Mother Theresa, I have the example of Elie Wiesel, who is a well known author of Jewish background and humanitarian, who has also been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. I am fortunate enough to be able say I know this man personally, he was my professor, as I attended the university where he teaches. I challenge anyone to examine this man's life and the contributions he has made in the world to see if they think they could do with their lives even a fraction of the good he has done. Or better yet - meet the man in person for yourself and then let me know what you think about him and his knowledge and understanding of God.
In addition, he does not dispute that Muhammad was a messenger of God. He has read the entire Quran and does not dispute this is the Word of the Lord. Why does he not convert, you may ask? Due to his background, history and experiences, he has a duty to uphold the commandments of Moses. I respect and support his right to do that, and hope others will as well. Allah knows best who his servants are.
May Allah continue to guide the believers in the straight path.
You also said being nice to them is ok but loving them is against Islam. That sounds hypocritical to me.
We should love one another as God loves us.
I will say asaalam alaikum to you Jamafg, I sense so much anger and hatred in your writing; that is very sad. I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. I do know one thing, I do not hate anybody, I love people, just for being people, a creation of Allah(swt). On the other hand you have stated several times throughout your posts, that you hate Christians and Jews and all whom are not muslims. You also said being nice to them is ok but loving them is against Islam. That sounds hypocritical to me. If you do not see a problem with that, then God will be the judge of your actions. You can write a 20 page post explaining and dictating, but the whole point is: We should love one another as God loves us. And whe should be a good example of a follower of Allah.
Blessings on to you
Islam teaches us that Allah swt loves us too but we have a duty and purpose on this earth too!
Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Obey Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم)." But if they turn away, then Allâh does not like the disbelievers [1].
[1] (V.3:32) See the footnote of (V.3:85).
That He may reward those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism), and do righteous good deeds, out of His Bounty. Verily, He likes not the disbelievers.
I will say asaalam alaikum to you Jamafg, I sense so much anger and hatred in your writing; that is very sad. I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. I do know one thing, I do not hate anybody, I love people, just for being people, a creation of Allah(swt). On the other hand you have stated several times throughout your posts, that you hate Christians and Jews and all whom are not muslims. You also said being nice to them is ok but loving them is against Islam. That sounds hypocritical to me. If you do not see a problem with that, then God will be the judge of your actions. You can write a 20 page post explaining and dictating, but the whole point is: We should love one another as God loves us. And whe should be a good example of a follower of Allah.
Blessings on to you
Assalamu Alaikum dear brother TheHumbleWun,
You wrote the following in post #110:
If by "us" you mean the whole human race [Muslim and non Muslim] then I must disagree. Allah the Almighty stated clearly in two verses of the Qur'an that he does not love [لا يحب] the unbelievers.
Best regards,
Bluegazer
Wassalamu Alaikum
Dear blackivy393,
Before I answer I have this question-- If this Cross is a symbol that Christians didn't start to wear to about a century or two after his death --- then why they even started to wear it anyway ??? Why today these people called Christian put this CROSS around their neck, kiss it, make cross on their chests, and put cross all over their religious buildings specially if this thing is such a fake and useless thing? Doesn't it tell you something about the believe system of the followers. And I think you brought up a very good point about Christians creating things from nowhere and then think it is a holy thing, and I will expand on this after I answer your question.
Answer: Jesus (PBUH) will break the CROSS and kill the swine as a sign that whatever wrong things people have started to believe and do on his name after his departure are coming to an end. And they WILL come to an end. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran that by the time Issa (Jeses) will die (after his second coming) there will be no Christian or Jew left on this earth. Subhan Allah!
No. Allah told Mohammad (PBUH) who knew CROSS existed, that Issa (PBUH) will break it.
The point you brought up is a very good point about Christians doing things which were never prescribed in revelations. And I will say it bluntly even if someone mind it, the point is that Christianity is a totally man made religion. It is as artificial as any artificial thing can be. It is a hodge podge of stuff made from different visions and dreams/nightmares. It doesn't follow any principle, no consistency at all in this religion. And Honestly! Only God knows how a person of intellect swallows it.
Before you get furious let me say the following:
If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians started to pay respect to Cross about a century or two after Jesus? Because someone started it, just like Christmas tree.
If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians eat pork which is forbidden in the old testament and Jesus himself never ate pork nor he changed this law in his life time.? Because someone had a vision. Wow... Is a vision/dream of Paul or Peter has precedence over the law came from God thru a Prophet. Any person with a little common sense can tell you that an order given by higher authority CANNOT be superseded by a lower authority (if it was at all an authority). But Christians do that, why? because there is no rhyme or reason in Christianity. Sorry... But it is true.
If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why they think Jesus is God? If there was really a God or even a son of God and believing on him was crucial for salvation then why this was not mentioned in the earlier books. When Adam (PBUH) was created we hear nothing about Jesus (a God or son of God), So many prophets came Noah, Lot, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon etc etc (PBUT all), but no one ever mentioned that there is a Son of God and if you don't believe on him then won't get any salvation. Actually this must be the first commandments of God given to Moses (PBUH). But still Christians believe on it, why? Because someone after Jesus said it. Even though Jesus himself never said it and it is not written in (this so much modified) Bible that Jesus has ever said that he was son of God or ordered to worship him.
- If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why in the Council of Nicea (more than 300 year after Jesus) it was bunch of men who were deciding which book to keep which book to toss, which text to keep which text to delete or add.
- If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Who created the concept of "original sin", "Trinity" and other strange concepts. None of these creative concepts ever existed before. They were artificially created in the Council of Nicea to fix something, i.e. why God sent his Son to die. This is just like to hide a lie one has to lie many more times. More fabrication to justify previous fabrications. What can be more artificial than that?
- If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why all of their symbols are so fake. Christmas Day - This was actually a birthday of a pagan goddess, no one knows the real birthday of Jesus. Santa Claus - Need I say some thing? Easter Bunny and its Egg? Wow... Is there anything more artificial than that?
- If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians stopped circumcision? It was made compulsory in the Old Testament and Jesus himself was circumcised (imagine All Mighty God being circumcised) yet it was abolished on a vision or dream of a low ranking person. Just imagine in a company a low ranking officer changing orders of CEO after having a dream. This can only happen in Christianity!
I can go on and on but I don't want to. I have to sleep now. But I will say this to blackivy393, Look... I don't want to burn in hell fire and so if Christianity didn't have so many flaws and was a right religion I have studied it enough that I would have accepted it. But it is not. Islam tells you why you are here on earth. You are here to be tested. The test started from Adam (PBUH). Why do you think that TREE was even there where Adam and Eve were? To show that human being can make mistakes and sins, but then they can repent too and Allah will accept their repentance if they are sincere and Allah wanted to send billions and billions of men and women to this test center in the form of off-springs to be tested, and so he invented this cycle of life and death.
In the next world (actually the universe) there won't be any death and so the reward will be eternal and the punishment will eternal too. Therefore for those who reject the message of Allah despite it is being so logical and simple the punishment of hell fire will be ... I don't want to say much about it, because I know it will be horrible.
So, please compare the message of Islam with Christianity, you will surely see the difference if you are sincere and honest to yourself.
Salaam sister,
It's one thing to be respectful and be nice and another to love them. Islam teaches us to respect all people. Love has a completely different meaning. Christians brainwash people when they say "Jesus loves you," to answer & solve all their questions and concerns. Islam teaches us that Allah swt loves us too but we have a duty and purpose on this earth as well! Islam gives complete guidance and answers for every action. What good is love when ultimately our actions will determine our end? We love Allah swt (and Allah swt loves us) when we are worshiping Him (i.e. praying, fasting), following the Quran & Sunnah.
Allah swt shined his Noor (light) upon the believers. The People of the Book were repeatedly given the words of God and they blasphemed God and rejected the revelations that were sent to them. See below:
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (The Noble Quran, 5:51)"
"O ye who believe! Take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport - whether among those who received the Scripture (i.e., the Bible) before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have Faith (indeed). (The Noble Quran, 5:57)"
Allah swt loves some People of the Book (Christians & Jews):
"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:113-114)"
Please see these scholarly opinions as well. They both say the same thing.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...EAskTheScholar
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ln=...QR=11793&dgn=3
Take my words, I use to have a lot of non-Muslim friends, but over time as I studied Islam and became more religious, I started losing them. I don't know how. Every day I had less contact. It's inevitable because Allah swt puts like this flickering light upon us. About 98% of my friends are now Muslims. Alhamdulillah.
Our Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) used to be very kind to everybody, even to those who hated and wanted to harm Muslims. Khalid Bin Walid (RA) was a mighty kafir soilder, he almost defeated Muslims in the Battle of Ohad, but when he converted to Islam he became one of the greatest Muslim general and soldier for Islam.
There was a woman who used to throw garbage on our beloved Prophet (PBUH) whenever he used to pass infront of her house. One day she didn't throw the garbage. So he wondered and went inside to see if she was okay. She was sick and lying on the bed. He stayed with her for some time and his this behaviour and kindness converted her into a Muslim.
I think we all should learn from the seerah of prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and apply it too. The acts of kindness never go away in waste.
That is the truth.Take my words, I use to have a lot of non-Muslim friends, but over time as I studied Islam and became more religious, I started losing them. I don't know how. Every day I had less contact. It's inevitable because Allah swt puts like this flickering light upon us. About 98% of my friends are now Muslims. Alhamdulillah.
Dear blackivy393,
Before I answer I have this question-- If this Cross is a symbol that Christians didn't start to wear to about a century or two after his death --- then why they even started to wear it anyway ??? Why today these people called Christian put this CROSS around their neck, kiss it, make cross on their chests, and put cross all over their religious buildings specially if this thing is such a fake and useless thing? Doesn't it tell you something about the believe system of the followers. And I think you brought up a very good point about Christians creating things from nowhere and then think it is a holy thing, and I will expand on this after I answer your question.
Answer: Jesus (PBUH) will break the CROSS and kill the swine as a sign that whatever wrong things people have started to believe and do on his name after his departure are coming to an end. And they WILL come to an end. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran that by the time Issa (Jeses) will die (after his second coming) there will be no Christian or Jew left on this earth. Subhan Allah!
No. Allah told Mohammad (PBUH) who knew CROSS existed, that Issa (PBUH) will break it.
The point you brought up is a very good point about Christians doing things which were never prescribed in revelations. And I will say it bluntly even if someone mind it, the point is that Christianity is a totally man made religion. It is as artificial as any artificial thing can be. It is a hodge podge of stuff made from different visions and dreams/nightmares. It doesn't follow any principle, no consistency at all in this religion. And Honestly! Only God knows how a person of intellect swallows it.
Before you get furious let me say the following:
If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians started to pay respect to Cross about a century or two after Jesus? Because someone started it, just like Christmas tree.
If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians eat pork which is forbidden in the old testament and Jesus himself never ate pork nor he changed this law in his life time.? Because someone had a vision. Wow... Is a vision/dream of Paul or Peter has precedence over the law came from God thru a Prophet. Any person with a little common sense can tell you that an order given by higher authority CANNOT be superseded by a lower authority (if it was at all an authority). But Christians do that, why? because there is no rhyme or reason in Christianity. Sorry... But it is true.
If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why they think Jesus is God? If there was really a God or even a son of God and believing on him was crucial for salvation then why this was not mentioned in the earlier books. When Adam (PBUH) was created we hear nothing about Jesus (a God or son of God), So many prophets came Noah, Lot, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon etc etc (PBUT all), but no one ever mentioned that there is a Son of God and if you don't believe on him then won't get any salvation. Actually this must be the first commandments of God given to Moses (PBUH). But still Christians believe on it, why? Because someone after Jesus said it. Even though Jesus himself never said it and it is not written in (this so much modified) Bible that Jesus has ever said that he was son of God or ordered to worship him.
- If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why in the Council of Nicea (more than 300 year after Jesus) it was bunch of men who were deciding which book to keep which book to toss, which text to keep which text to delete or add.
- If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Who created the concept of "original sin", "Trinity" and other strange concepts. None of these creative concepts ever existed before. They were artificially created in the Council of Nicea to fix something, i.e. why God sent his Son to die. This is just like to hide a lie one has to lie many more times. More fabrication to justify previous fabrications. What can be more artificial than that?
- If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why all of their symbols are so fake. Christmas Day - This was actually a birthday of a pagan goddess, no one knows the real birthday of Jesus. Santa Claus - Need I say some thing? Easter Bunny and its Egg? Wow... Is there anything more artificial than that?
- If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians stopped circumcision? It was made compulsory in the Old Testament and Jesus himself was circumcised (imagine All Mighty God being circumcised) yet it was abolished on a vision or dream of a low ranking person. Just imagine in a company a low ranking officer changing orders of CEO after having a dream. This can only happen in Christianity!
I can go on and on but I don't want to. I have to sleep now. But I will say this to blackivy393, Look... I don't want to burn in hell fire and so if Christianity didn't have so many flaws and was a right religion I have studied it enough that I would have accepted it. But it is not. Islam tells you why you are here on earth. You are here to be tested. The test started from Adam (PBUH). Why do you think that TREE was even there where Adam and Eve were? To show that human being can make mistakes and sins, but then they can repent too and Allah will accept their repentance if they are sincere and Allah wanted to send billions and billions of men and women to this test center in the form of off-springs to be tested, and so he invented this cycle of life and death.
In the next world (actually the universe) there won't be any death and so the reward will be eternal and the punishment will eternal too. Therefore for those who reject the message of Allah despite it is being so logical and simple the punishment of hell fire will be ... I don't want to say much about it, because I know it will be horrible.
So, please compare the message of Islam with Christianity, you will surely see the difference if you are sincere and honest to yourself.
I know a lot of Muslims are anti-zionist, but there are also Muslims for which this translates into anti-semitism, and they seek to destroy the entire Jewish population. This bothers me greatly. Related to the example you provided of Mother Theresa, I have the example of Elie Wiesel, who is a well known author of Jewish background and humanitarian, who has also been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. I am fortunate enough to be able say I know this man personally, he was my professor, as I attended the university where he teaches. I challenge anyone to examine this man's life and the contributions he has made in the world to see if they think they could do with their lives even a fraction of the good he has done. Or better yet - meet the man in person for yourself and then let me know what you think about him and his knowledge and understanding of God.
In addition, he does not dispute that Muhammad was a messenger of God. He has read the entire Quran and does not dispute this is the Word of the Lord. Why does he not convert, you may ask? Due to his background, history and experiences, he has a duty to uphold the commandments of Moses. I respect and support his right to do that, and hope others will as well. Allah knows best who his servants are.
May Allah continue to guide the believers in the straight path.
لا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَدْ تَبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَى لا انْفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût [2] and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.