MUSLIMS TAKING OVER EUROPE

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    Strange but of my mind we are talking in this thread two different matters; "MUSLIMS TAKING OVER EUROPE"- matter and then Taliban/hadith- matters.

    :confused: Not sure are we talking about same issues.

    To Just A Guy:

    This seems typical here too in my country where far-right wing of political parties makes it a big issue that "muslim population dangers original (christian) culture and values" when here less than 1% of population are muslims...
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    Wa allaicumu saalam wa raahmatullah wa barakatuhu

    Dear brother, first of all how can you say that we as Muslims need to follow only Quran and not Sunnah of our Prophet salalhu alayha wa salam?

    Following of Sunnah of our Prophet is obligatory for every Muslim and it is present in every part of our lifes, and our Prophet sallahu alayha wa salam did not said anything wrong, but only that what Allah has ordered him to do or say and teach the whole mankind to Islaam.

    The ayahs which I have shared in my post are refering on all Muslims not only on Ashabhas raddiAllahu Anhum, because all rullings in Islam are for all Muslims and not only for a group of Muslims ( Ashabahs r.a.) Astagfirullah like you have said.

    I aslo do not understand how can you reject the hadeeths which are Saheeh ( truthfull, correct) and call them as corrupt Hadeeth Astagfirullah, when we know that all hadeeth which are considered as Saheeh and which have been narrated by the most knowledgable Schoolars of Islam are all truthfull.

    I have shared with you only few of Hadeeths which are saying that stonning to death is obligatory in our Deen Islam Alhadmulilah, but there are also a loot of more Hadeeth which are Saheeh and are confirming the same rulling in Islam Alhadmulillah. And Allah knows the best.

    Dear brother, the ayah which you have quated refers on man and woman who commit adultary while not been married while punishment for those who are married is explained well in Hadeeth of our Prophet sallahu alayha wa salam and as well in practise of early generations of Muslims, Salaf Al Saleeh. And I say again that Allah knows the best about everything.

    May Allah guide you brother on the right path, because if you believe in Allah, you also must follow Sunnah of His Messanger( because Allah has sent him) and not consider hisway of life, teaching, and rulling which are find in Hadeeth as wrong, Astagfirullah.

    Allahu Aleem!!!

    I hope Inshallah this will help you to understand better brother and increase your knowledge.

    Also it would be good that you read these threads Inshallah,and as well you should read Tasfir Ibn Kathir for better and clear understanding of certain ayahs.

    http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47435

    http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77035
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    Assalaam walaikum,


    I can not respond because I have to read a book before I can respond. A brother suggested a book on another thread.

    Regarding stoning: The conditions to be met before a person is stoned to death are pretty impossible. Four witnesses. Four people, who are accountable to Allah, have seen you in the act. That is just as much a warning to the witness.
    The witness will have to answer this on the Day of Judgment.
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    Thank you sister for your wonderful reply. Remember I'm not trying to hurt Sunni Islam or Islam in general but we really do need to have a talk on the Hadith and reconsider our stance on them. I will give you a reply later and Insha'Allah I will read the threads!

    But I have some issues I want to raise. Please sister answer my question.

    -Does the Hadith abrogate the Quran?
    -Did our prophet :saw: defy the Quran (Astagfirullah)?

    Clearly the Quran states the Punishment. How can you say otherwise? Remember the Prophet only followed the Quran as evidence from this verse...

    (Quran 46:9: Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner.")

    So how did the Prophet :saw: stone people?!?!? Of course not!

    Also I say many hadith are corrupt or false because many go against the teachings and verses of the Quran. I will give you some examples later as I am busy right one.
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    It's funny and sad at the same time how even the most liberal Democrat Communist atheist anti-God politician will stand up and talk about how we are a "Christian nation" when asked about Islam and Muslims. They rant all day about how much they hate Christianity and God and all religion, but mention Islam and they play the same "Christian nation" card that Republicans always play.

    Well at least here in for the moment, people are more worried about illegal Latino immigration than Islam.
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    Assalaam walaikum,

    My head hurts after listening to Michele Bachmann. I wish Muslims would take over the US.

    Brother YusufN,

    When the term moderate Muslims is used I think of the awful RAND report that came out a couple years ago. It attempted to delineate Muslims in political terms.
    For the sake of Love for our faith let's refrain from the political denotations and seek Islamic knowledge. I am a student of my faith. As are you. This leads to understanding whereas the political definitions lead to division and misunderstanding amongst Believers.
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    aslam o aliakum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakatuhu

    brother YusufN, i really dont want to be involved in this , but when a muslim sees something that is not correct we want to step up, and here some things are being said about our beloved Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

    Brother, please dont argue, these things scholars scholars have already discussed and agreed upon, and they are the one with knowledge so we should be careful in our words since we are just laymen

    and the hadith can never go against the Quran, Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was the best example
    Quran 33:21
    Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.

    please i would like to advice you, unless you are a scholar don't say things about these issues, you in ur earlier post said some hadith in bukhari/muslim were not 'sahih', Akhi AuzobiAllah thats a extremely serious statement, this scholars has agreed upon again n again that these 2 books are sahih, please Akhi some of the things can make us commit kuffar without realizing it so i advice you please refrain from dwelling into matter which we might not have the knowledge of and its not im saying im more knowledgeable but i just want to advice from wat i see and im not sure any of us as scholars here, also , please learn the seerah of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) , the sealed nectar is a great book for seerah, if you already have studied seerah go over it again n again, cause akhi your knowledge of Seerah seems a lil weak.

    Allah(swt) knows best, but this is a sincere advice , May Allah (swt) forgive our short coming and guide us to follow the straight path - ameen

    walaikum salam wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakatuhu
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    Assalaam walaikum,

    Brother,

    I do not think this brother is here to argue. I think if we approach it as a method of discovery we will all learn.
    Right now we are trying to understand where he is in the discovery process. And, we are keeping ourselves sharp by seeking knowledge. It serves us well when we define ourselves. We need to get rid of many labels that have been placed upon us. We are not limited by labels. We are Believers. We need to discuss what the attributes of the Believers are.

    Please keep posting to remind us when we begin to stray.
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    Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa barakatuhu

    Dear brother, you should be carefull with your words and your saying that some Hadeth which are cosidered us Saheeh are going against Quran and with that against words of Allah subhan wa teala, Astagfirullah.

    There is not any Hadeeth that goes against Quran Alhamdulillah. There are certain Islamic rullings which have been explained only in Sunnah of our Prophet sallahu alayha wa saalam and can not been find explained or even mentioned specificly in Quran, but that is why they are mentioned and explained in details in Sunnah of Allahs Messanger sallahu alayha wa saalam,and again we Muslims believe that Sunnah is aslo from Allah,because our Prophet done only with what Allah was pleased,and our Prophet only passed message to all mankind from Allah.

    Maybe dear brother the reason of your misunderstanding of Islam is because you do not have enough knowledge for understanding only basics of Islam ( and following Sunnah is basic of Islam). I aslo advice you brother to read the authentic Siraah of our Prophet sallahu alayha wa saalam Inshallah,and that will maybe help you to have better and more correct understanding of our deen.

    Inshallah you can here download one of the most authetic Sirah from author Al-Raheeq Ul Mahtoom - The Sealed Nectar.

    Jazzak Allah khair dear brother Shaheer for your advices. Alhmadulillah I agree with your advices, especialy because it is the month of Ramadhan and we should try to disscuss less, but I hope Inshallah that this thread was usefull on some way.

    May Allah guide us all. Ameen ya Rabby :tti_sister:

    :wasalam:

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    I am injured and cannot type so cant reply: but u claim that hadith is not sahih, prove it. Subhan Allah!!
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    where in quran, is it mentioned how to pray?
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    Brother ,We dont have any authority to speak about ahadith without knowing background ,chain of narrations and many other things required.It is for the scholars to comment on such issues.I was watching a video related to this matter on commenting on hadith and fiqh.
    I hope you will benefit from it inshaAllah.

    [yt]sqTB3S3mDes&feature=player_embedded[/yt]


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    Assalaam walaikum,

    I think everyone needs to slow down.

    The brother believes that many radical groups follow an ideology that is a derivative of Islam.

    He is questioning how they employ the ideology and justify it using hadeeth which seems to contradict the Quran.

    This is not disputing the scholars. We have not gotten that far in the discussions.

    We are always writing how we have to spread Islam to non-Muslims..now it is an opportunity for us to learn a little more about Islam. This will be an exercise for being able to answer questions that non-Muslims ask of us.

    If I were considering conversion and the only response I got to a questions was the scholar said so...that would not be very convincing. We need to be able to understand how did the scholar arrive at his opinion. We need to see the reasoning process of the scholar.
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    as-salam 'alaikum

    ha ha, sister this happens, when someone with a ill intend comes here and from no where he starts and gets into a desires discussion, that he wants to.

    and why i told it ill intention, because it is clear from his arguments
    wa-llahu a'lam

    wassalam
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    how can they prove it brother, they don't believe in the hadeeth?
    in Quran, the salah is compared with horse racing, let them race their horse, that will lead them ashtray in the dunya and Hellfire in the Hereafter.

    [yt]watch?v=0tYAyfin1Ok[/yt]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tYAyfin1Ok

    listen from 13:50min onwards

    but how you get injured? may Allah cure you and remove your all pains
    wassalamun 'alaik
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    ameen to ur dua sister, and JazakAllah khair for providing the brother with the book inshAllah it will benefit him with many others :)

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    Sorry brothers and sisters.

    I'm not trying to start an argument.

    I'm just questioning the accuracy of the Hadith. Is this something wrong? I can give you multipule examples of Hadith's that are not shahih but are still included in Bhukari and Muslim's connection.

    I'll post it sometime later. :)
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    Assalaam walaikum,

    Brother YusufN,

    I do not understand the comments posted.

    You have questioned the authenticity of arriving at some of the Sunna. What the members are forgetting is this when a person professes faith they have an absolute right to question everything until they become Believers. Islam is a faith of reason.

    I will be standing before Allah on the Day of Judgment. I better have full knowledge of what I believe. No scholar can stand in my place. Thus, I have a right to question a scholar. The Prophet, the Prophet allowed himself to be questioned. I have to know what I believe. I have to be sure of what I believe.

    Questioning a person does not mean disrespecting someone. It means I need more clarification. I need more understanding. How did you arrive at this decision. What is your evidence. How do I know that your thought process is sound.

    My soul is at stake here.
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    Thank you for the question brother!

    Well yes, some aspects are. The basic format to pray is in the Quran. It states some aspects of prayer like the proper ablution (5:6), the abnormal ablution (4:43), the proper dress (7:31), standing and facing the qiblah (2:144), the times (11:114, 17:78, 24:58, 2:238, 30:17-18 and 20:130), the bowing and prostrating (2:43,125,3:42, 22:77, 48:29), using moderate voice when saying prayers (17:110), not calling anyone else besides God in prayer (72:18) and modified mode of prayer at unusual times (4:101,103).

    To find out how to pray you need to look at multipule Hadiths. Can I ask you a question? Did people just not pray until the Hadith's arrived? Nope. It was passed on from generation to generation and that is how people learned.
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    Akhi, it's interesting that you say that Bukhari and Muslim both incorporated incorrect ahadith into their compilations, when not only are these two the TOP TWO providers of the most authentic Hadith, but Imam Bukhari's compilation is so genuine it is considered the second most authentic and factual source of Islamic knowledge after the very Quran itself.

    Please do enlighten us on these supposed incorrect ahadith of theirs.

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