In Search Of Logical Answers?

John Smith

Junior Member
here we go once again. stupid people putting words in scotty's mouth. my English is worse than all of yours but im make sure I read properly. Scotty (brother mohammed) said that we humans are in the ape family. he did not say we came from apes, although some of you think like apes.

That's unfair Kiana to suggest that we all think like apes,if you said nethanderal then i may have agreed :)

I just wanted the brother to clarify his position in simple terms which would be easier to understand,as some of us dont have a brain that has fully developed yet.
 

kiana

Junior Member
That's unfair Kiana to suggest that we all think like apes,if you said nethanderal then i may have agreed :)

I just wanted the brother to clarify his position in simple terms which would be easier to understand,as some of us dont have a brain that has fully developed yet.

not you, john! you are also very smart brother
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam alaikum,

Sister please.

We can not call each other derogatory names. Let alone a sister calling a brother names. Chimps and apes protect each other. We are the ones who promised Allah subhana wa taala we would take care of Creation.

The good of this thread has been the exchange of information. Muhammed took a lot of trouble to present his views. Other members brought in links. Wonderful papers out of Russia on gravity. There is a concurrent thread on this very subject but no-one is viewing it. Very heady stuff. I complained to the poster in a PM.

But this segues into the next question of development. Man is aware of his sins. At no given time is any animal aware of sin. In light of evolution how do we explain this? From simple actions and reactions to brooding about the consequences of sins. When does that magic moment occur when I am accountable for my actions. Evolution does not explain the development of the soul.

When does a child know it is wrong to stick your hands in the cookie jar?
 

uniqueskates

Rabbe Zidni Illma
The only final thing I'm going to say, is that the scientific denials I've seen here today has made me now think it's impossible for to remain a muslim.

If you cannot be trusted to even know or tell the truth about simple scientific matters a 10 year old knows about, then I cannot trust you in any other way. If you can't tell the truth about this - then you can't be telling the truth about anything else.

All of you deniers have helped to give me the final push away from Islam. I have had too much stress to cope with lately, and coupled with quite a bit of religious bullying by certain people, this has been the final blow.

So congratulations. Your lies and ignorance have helped you lose a brother in Islam. I hope you're proud of yourself.

SERIOUSLY?? You got to be kidding me.!! Sorry, but now am a little, actually a lot pissed. I have had my patience for past 120 posts. You should be feeling lucky you got Islam. You got a dad, mother, a family who supports you.! And you say, now.. You want to leave Islam? A few days back, you were all about which cap to wear, praying 5 times a day, I am loving to wear the cap, my dad helps me, now within 2 days, just because we disagree.. You come and tell us this?! Get a break brother.. Go out of your home and get some fresh air..

Try being in my shoes.. Where am alone without any mentor, without any sheikh, guide, or damn, am not even allowed to go to Masjid, my Quran is with my mother, who doesn't let me read it, my mother, my grandmother literally cry in front of me,. I have more fingers than muslim friends near me[in my city]. With all this, I still want to be a Muslim & I am PROUD being one. Forget about me, At least am way off better Alhamdulilah. At least I have the basic amenities in life, I imagine how it would be for people in Afghanistan, Palestine, Africa, and any corner of the world who don't have clothes to wear, food to eat, orphans, malnourished kids.. I weep thinking about how gifted I have to be.. Alhamdulilah.. If being a Muslim is a joke for you brother. Then please you are hurting me & my faith a lot..

By the way, JazakAllah khair.. You just happened to increase my imaan.. Made me feel how gifted am, that Allah(SWT) chose me to follow HIS path.. Alhamdulilah..

Good bye.
 

Shak78

Junior Member
[video=youtube;9tBSjcHnzN0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9tBSjcHnzN0[/video]
 

John Smith

Junior Member
not you, john! you are also very smart brother

Thanks kiana,

Just having some fun.

As for brother Muhammad ( Scott ) threatening to leave Islam I will advise you this.

Don't let the whispers of the outcast get to you, be strong & firm, know Allah does not require us but we him, don't be a loser by abandoning this faith.

We I joined the forum I was shown hostility of my user name but education is the best way to make those understand.
 

ubaid88

Member
I don't think any of you realise how much damage you've done.

Those who willfully deny indisputably clear scientific evidence cannot be taken seriously.

And that goes for muslims as much as for non-muslims.

So if I know (as I do for certain) that you are either, at best, badly misinformed, or at worst lying about this; then I'm afraid there is no way I can trust you on any other matter.

You have shredded all your credibility by denying something as true as the fact that Paris is in France.

I'm not sure that you realise how much damage you've done here today. But I will let you know, because I've just written something elsewhere which has explained how I feel at this moment in time.

So when you learn about it; give yourself a big pat on the back won't you? Maybe then the enormity of your ignorance will finally make you realise what it is you are doing to people and this religion.

Seriously you are a joke, you cannot even hold down to your arguments firmly.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam alaikum,

Brother,

Be kind. He is a young revert. What this has become is testing waters. He has made a dramatic change in his belief system. And, all of a sudden he encounters thoughts that are diametrically opposite of what he ever conceived. It is difficult.
Think of this as growth.

He now has to, and it has been suggested by another sister, to reflect. This strange faith has believers who do not think like him. And are crazy enough to refute all his logic. InshaAllah, he will respond.

Can we please move on to the question of sin?
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
So you're deciding to leave Islam because of some comments some strangers made on the internet? Oooookay. If you allow the personal opinions of people who are not even qualified or formally educated in the tenets of Islam to decide your fate then that's on you. I spent years as a new convert without any family and only a handful of Muslims around me. Quite a few times I was given erroneous information and instead of throwing my hands up and running off I decided to research what the actual religion taught and not what some folks thought was the facts.

I have been accused of being a Jewish spy, a troll and other such nonsense. It ca be disheartening but you need to remember that Islam does not equal Muslims. The religion is perfect but we Muslims are very, very far from perfection. In the end no one is responsible for your actions but yourself.
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
Hey, don't mind me asking but, why did you become Muslim in the first place? What actually drew you to Islam?
 

Um Ibrahim

Alhamdulilah :)
My stepfather is muslim. His love, kindness and example were what brought me to Islam. My mum is also a revert.

I wrote it all down here previously: http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85466

InshaaAllah, I hope you will reconsider your decision to leave Islam. I think you're just having a hard time like you said before with the way some Muslims have treated you. And remember shaytan is working hard to make you leave Islam. So make your decisions when you're not angry.
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
:salam2:

I suppose this thread just needs to chill out. Brother Scotty asks how come we're alive past the age of 5? It's because of Allah, simple as that.

Adam (alayhis salaam) was created and lived for years in Paradise, not on Earth. In Paradise, with the Angels. There are no monkeys in paradise to have been an ancestor.

And another question: Brother, if your parents (God forbid) decide to leave Islam, will you follow in their footsteps? Does that mean you reverted just because of your parents?
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Brother Mabsoot, don't mind me asking but, what happened to your beard? What drew you out of Islam?


how fruity.

And what deeds have you done (aside from criticizing fellow Muslims and insulting them) have you done? Brother Mabsoot pays a large sum of money out of his own pocket to run this site. Have you donated? No? Then either work on your own imaan or be silent.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam alaikum,


I beg you for the love of Allah to refrain from this immaturity. You are mocking those who have earnest love for their faith. The members of this website contribute here to learn. We wish to have a healthy community. I will pray for you. I will pray that Allah remove your pain, InshaAllah.

It is good to be a member of a community. For some of us this is as good as it gets. Lets keep it real and good.

For everyone, if I have unintentionally written something that has been misconstrued forgive me. My intentions are always good.
 

ubaid88

Member
I haven't responded to the evolution questions here precisely because I can see the same thing happening again. It seems that what I have said in my other thread doesn't appear to have been understood at all. But we'll see.

I will advice you to study philosophy of science, this will tell you limitations of science inshallah.
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
4.5 Billion years milestones on a 24 Hr timeline

Understanding events spanning 5 Billion years is not easy. Evolution, spans 5 billion years. We need a birds eye view of discovered significant changes to life on earth. This video based out of "A Short History of Nearly Everything" makes it easier 1:44 minutes of your time.

[video=youtube;H2_6cqa2cP4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2_6cqa2cP4[/video]

Now , from the video its clear the human phase is too short. Thats whats been curiously interesting to many...
 
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