Dawah with a Born-Again Christian

[dianne]

Muslim worship Allah swt

if you believe we worship 3 God because polythesim is worship of many Gods, which 1 of the 3 do you worship

or if you just believe we worship God in 3 portions, which 1 of the 3 portions do muslim worship???

Answer:

We worship Allah subhanahuwata a'la
The First: Nothing is before Him.
The Last: Nothing is After Him.
The Most High: Nothing is Above Him.
The Most Near: Nothing is beyond His Reach.
He Begets Not, Nor was He Begotten.
The Creator, Provider, and All-Rich.
The All-Seer, The All-Knower.
He is One and Self-Sufficient.
He is not Nature, or any part of it.
He ascended above His Throne, High above the Seven Skies.
No Vision can encompass Him, but
His Grasp is over all vision...

WHO IS ALLAH?

He is Allaah, {the} One. "Allaah
us-Samad {self-Sufficient}. "He begets not, nor was He begotten; "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."] Soorat Al Ikhlaas {112:1-4}

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2432

 

[TheHumbleWun]

do you want to me to give you scriptures from the bible talking about return to Jews to the holy land, the favor God has for the Jews, the scriptures saying God blesses who gives charity to the Jews? this is people's religious beliefs not zionism.

what do you consider zionism......

and no im not going to quote what someone else thinks , i can quote directly from the bible what God says about the issue, he is the true source on the palestinian/ Jewish issue.

God has always told us to give to the Jews , why did more people start giving in a certain era.....? a variety of reasons but its always been instated by God

Hey,

No disrespect, but you really need to read your history. As a matter of a fact, go take a trip to Palestine. It doesn't hurt to get a reality check.

The authenticity of your Bible is another story!

 

[Mairo]

Assalamu Alaikum Bluegazer,

Thank you for your very thorough response! I just wanted to let you know that I do intend to reply in full to your message when I have a bit more time, Insha'Allah I can do that some time this weekend. I will start a new thread to discuss those topics, in order not to divert from the original topic of this thread anymore than has already been done.

Salam all

 

[jamafg]

My dear sister, I request you very kindly please do not post something that you really don't understand the real meaning of it or you just heard from someone.
The only said which will be acceptable is the one based from the Holy Qur'an and Hadith.
Where do you find that a Muslim man is allowed to marry a woman of the books (jewish or christian)? In Islam no one (man or woman) are allowed to marry a non Muslim, until he/she do not convert to Islam. Even if a non Muslim converts to Islam to marry a Muslim and then latter on he/she reconvert to any other religion, then the marriage has to be cancelled by the meaning of divorce very quickly (obligatory).

Secondly in regards of the Hadith which I knew it before you mention it, I would like to say that: Please don't mix up the Prophets with the ordinary non Muslims (follower of any other prophets who didn't accept Islam as his/her faith and Mohammad PBUH as the final prophet of Allah SWT, after they received the message of Islam in a clear and undistorted way). Because all the Prophets were Muslim, but their followers who did not accept Islam will be consider as a non Muslim and people of hell.
So if Prophet Muhammad PBUH says in that Hadith, is regarding the love to all Prophets and considering all of them as equal, but not to love any non Muslim. Yeh you're only allowed to be kind and respectful with them, but not to love them!!!
I hope Inshallah you understand my points?
Jazak Allah
Wasalaam

Wa Aleikum masalaam,

Yes, I do not ever mention any quotes but the Quran and Hadith in my posts, that is what I was trying to explain.

As I am sure you are aware, it is lawful for a Muslim man to marry a believer among the People of the Book - aka Jews or Christians. I would find it hard to believe that a man can be allowed to marry such a woman, and not show her love?

I just thought I would add another Hadith related to the topic we have been discussing here:

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 162:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

A man from the Jews, having been slapped on his face, came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! A man from your companions from the Ansar has slapped me on my face!" The Prophet said, "Call him." When they called him, the Prophet said, "Why did you slap him?" He said, "O Allah's Apostle! While I was passing by the Jews, I heard him saying, 'By Him Who selected Moses above the human beings,' I said, 'Even above Muhammad?' I became furious and slapped him on the face." The Prophet said, "Do not give me superiority over the other prophets, for on the Day of Resurrection the people will become unconscious and I will be the first to regain consciousness. Then I will see Moses holding one of the legs of the Throne. I will not know whether he has come to his senses before me or that the shock he had received at the Mountain, (during his worldly life) was sufficient for him."

 

[jamafg]

Salaam Alik brother Bleugazer,
Masha Allah for your effort to answer to some questions from other members in your post # 80.
Jazak Allah, Ameen
Wasalaam

 

[Mairo]

Where do you find that a Muslim man is allowed to marry a woman of the books (jewish or christian)?

Salam Jamafg,

For your reference, from the Quran:

[5.5] This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

This is well known among Muslims in Islam, I did not realize it would be something you are not aware of.

 

[Bluegazer]

Hello Elizabeth [blackivy393],


You posted the following in post #13:

since muslims dont acknowledge the holy spirit, i dont know if the quran talks about that.

We Muslims believe in the Holy Spirit [pronounced in Arabic as Rooh ul Qudus], but in a very different way than Christians do.


We believe that the Holy Spirit is a title given to the Angel Gabriel [pronounced in Arabic as Jibreel]. So, we believe that the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Spirit are one and the same. We certainly do not believe that the Holy Spirit is divine, nor part of the 'Trinity' Christians believe in.


The following is a fatwa [religious opinion] of Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid. It's an answer to question no. 14403 [Who is the “Holy Spirit”?]:

Question:

In the Quran in 2:87, an excerpt: ...We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (signs) and stengthened him with the holy spirit. What is the holy spirit?


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The “Holy Spirit” (Rooh al-Qudus) is Jibreel (peace be upon him). Shaykh al-Shanqeeti said: “The words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘and [We] supported him with Rooh al-Qudus’ [al-Baqarah 2:87] refer to Jibreel according to the most sound view. This is indicated by the words (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Which the trustworthy Rooh has brought down’ [al-Shu’ara’ 26:193] and ‘then We sent to her our Rooh’ [Maryam 19:17].”

Ibn Abi Haatim narrated from Ahmad ibn Sinaan… Abu’l-Za’raa’ told us: ‘Abd-Allaah said: Rooh al-Qudus (“the Holy Spirit”) is Jibreel, then he said: something similar was narrated from Muhammad ibn Ka’b al-Qurazi, Qutaadah, ‘Atiyah al-‘Awfi, al-Saddi and al-Rabee’ ibn Anas.

This view is supported by the above and by the report narrated by the two Shaykhs [al-Bukhaari and Muslim] with their isnaads from Abu Salamah ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf, that he heard Hassaan ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari asking Abu Hurayrah to bear witness, “I ask you by Allaah, did you hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘O Hassaan, respond on behalf of the Messenger of Allaah. O Allaah, support him with Rooh al-Qudus’?” Abu Hurayrah said, “Yes.”

(al-Tafseer al-Masboor by Dr. Hikmat Basheer, 1/192-193)

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: the majority of scholars said that this refers to Jibreel (peace be upon him), and that Allaah called him al-Rooh al-Ameen, Rooh al-Qudus and Jibreel.”

(Daqaa’iq al-Tafseer, part 1, p. 310)

He wrote an entire chapter on that and said:

Chapter on the meaning of Rooh al-Qudus:

Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):

“O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]…”

[al-Maa’idah 5:110]

Allaah supported the Messiah (peace be upon him) with Rooh al-Qudus as He mentions in this aayah. In al-Baqarah Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We gave ‘Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rooh-ul-Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]

[al-Baqarah 2:87]

“Those Messengers! We preferred some of them to others; to some of them Allâh spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ‘Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]”

[al-Baqarah 2:253]

This is not limited only to the Messiah; others were also supported in this way. (The scholars) mentioned that Dawood said, “Do not stop supporting me with Rooh al-Qudus.” And our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Hassaan ibn Thaabit, “O Allaah, support him with Rooh al-Qudus.” According to another report: “Rooh al-Qudus will be with you so long as you are defending His Prophet.” Both versions are narrated in al-Saheeh.

According to the Christians, the “Holy Spirit” dwelt in the Disciples, and according to them the “Holy Spirit” is something experienced by all of the Prophets. But Allaah says in al-Nahl (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad) Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought it (the Qur’aan) down from your Lord with truth, that it may make firm and strengthen (the Faith of) those who believe, and as a guidance and glad tidings to those who have submitted (to Allaah as Muslims)”

[al-Nahl 16:102]

“Which the trustworthy Rooh [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought down

Upon your heart (O Muhammad)”

[al-Shu’ara’ 26:193]

“Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel (Gabriel) (let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Qur’aan) down to your heart”

[al-Baqarah 2:97]

So it is clear that Rooh al-Qudus here refers to Jibreel… No one suggests that Rooh al-Qudus means the life of Allaah; nor is this indicated by the wording and this phrase is never used in that sense.

Daqaa’iq al-Tafseer, part 2, p. 92

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=14403&ln=eng


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You wrote the following in post #77:

and no im not going to quote what someone else thinks , i can quote directly from the bible what God says about the issue, he is the true source on the palestinian/ Jewish issue.

God has always told us to give to the Jews , why did more people start giving in a certain era.....? a variety of reasons but its always been instated by God

I would be grateful if you would read my posts numbered 124 to 132. They are found on pages 13 and 14 of the thread "What would be the main reason to become a muslim?". These posts are very long, but they directly address your statement, " i can quote directly from the bible what God says about the issue"


Pages 13 and 14 are accessed by clicking on the following two links:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24043&page=13
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24043&page=14


Regards,

Bluegazer

 

[jamafg]

Dear Sister, I do agree with you and I'm aware of this Surah, but we shouldn't forget that woman chastity is the most important issue in does marriage. And as far as I'm aware these days there isn't much chaste NON MUSLIM WOMAN. So if the condition of marriage to people of book is not fulfilled, then the marriage is not considered as valid.
That’s whys we shouldn’t marry people of book, as they are not as they were in the time of our beloved prophet PBUH.
And finally we must read and understand a surah in deep with tafsir; we must fulfil all the condition (woman must be chaste and of people of the book) in this surah
I hope sister I answered you.
Jazak Allah
Wasalaam

Salam Jamafg,

For your reference, from the Quran:

[5.5] This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

This is well known among Muslims in Islam, I did not realize it would be something you are not aware of.

 

[jamafg]

My dear once again, here you made a....
Of cours there is differences between men! a man is superior than other by his TAQWA, KNOWLEDG OF ISLAM, BEING A ISLAMIC SCHOLAR and so on.
What we should say that there is not superiority between any of the ROPHETS PBU THEM (NO COMPARAISON BETWEEN ORDINARY MUSLIM AND PRPHETS PBH THEN).

No man is superior to another. That is one of the beauties of Islam. - agreed

 

[Optimist]

I'm a bit confused as to what blackivy exactly believe in WRT God incarnating humans ... but any way ... I'll discuss both possibilities ..

1. That new borns believe that the "Holy Spirit - God" is indeed inside them ... this will mean that they become Godly creatures and that worshipping them is not entirely wrong as indeed there are "bits" of God inside them.

You claimed that you don't believe this. I have my doubts. If a person in church made such a claim would he be corrected by the pastor ? I doubt it.

2. That they are just guided by the holy Spirit and therefore they can see actions like "speaking in tongues" as God inspired actions (frankly, if what I've seen on youtube is what you mean then I have no words to describe it). This actually raises the question: what is difference between those people and say Moses (may peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) ? He was inspired by God after all. More importantly, what is the proof ??? Is it the bible ? then please see the posts of brother bluegazer.

 

[Imad]

Hello Elizabeth,

Thanks for your answers.

But please don't forget what brother bluegazer mentioned about the bible. read carefully what he mentioned about the contradictions in the different versions. The bible is distorted.

let's take for example the verse about speaking in tongues which you mentioned. It's exactly ( mark 16:17). Verses 9-20 from Mark 16 are not mentioned in early manuscripts.

I think you have to take time to think about the distortion of the bible.

I remember a debate between Ahmad Deedat and Pastor Stanley. It was time of asking Question from the public. One of the people in the public asked Pastor Stanley to drink poison. This person got poison and gave it to Pastor Stanley. he read the verse from the bible:

and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all. (mark 16:18)

I have searched on youtube to find the film and i found it alhamdullilah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwXtzcGs0xs

You don't have to watch the whole film. You can watch from 163:4

My advise to you is: be aware of the distortion of bible

I have a Question:

If you say you can speak in new tongues ( Mark 16:17) are you also able to drink deadly poison ( mark 16:18) ?

Thanks,

Imad

 

[podolski11]

do you want to me to give you scriptures from the bible talking about return to Jews to the holy land, the favor God has for the Jews, the scriptures saying God blesses who gives charity to the Jews? this is people's religious beliefs not zionism.

what do you consider zionism......

and no im not going to quote what someone else thinks , i can quote directly from the bible what God says about the issue, he is the true source on the palestinian/ Jewish issue.

God has always told us to give to the Jews , why did more people start giving in a certain era.....? a variety of reasons but its always been instated by God

but why arent jews cristians then??....i mean jews follow jewism which is difeerent from cristianity..i thought there was only 1 rite religion....so whos wrong???.....cause i dont think jews think jesus is their savior

 

[blackivy393]

but why arent jews cristians then??....i mean jews follow jewism which is difeerent from cristianity..i thought there was only 1 rite religion....so whos wrong???.....cause i dont think jews think jesus is their savior

if you look at the early followers of christ before the term christian or christianity that existed pre- constantine. the early followers of Christ were Jews who practiced Judaism and believed that Jesus or Yeshua (hebrew) was the messiah prophesized in the torah, psalms . some Jews felt Jesus was not the messiah for a variety of reasons, a major being the "messiah" did not save the Jews from the immediate persecution also they believed the "messiah" wouldnt declare mosaic law is no longer the way to salvation or pleasing God. in this early period Jews who believed and didnt believe both worshipped @ the same temple and synagogue. as more people started converting especially those who werent from Judea or of Jewish descent started being identified as being "Jewish" for their religious beliefs which ultimately meant persecution, as well as the fact more converts were all together not practicing mosaic laws eventually led to this desire for a separate identity.

IF YOU GUYS WATCH THE HISTORY CHANNEL, DISCOVERY CHANNEL OR KVIE - EDUCATIONAL CHANNEL AROUND PASSOVER ,EASTER, HANUKKAH/XMAS OFTEN TIMES THESE DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT HOW CHRISTIANITY BROKE AWAY FROM JUDAISM WILL BE ON

but either way in the bible it is taught that Jews were led by God not to believe Jesus was the Messiah, so that the rest of the world would recieve the gospel of Jesus Christ, but we know what we worship because of the Jewish people. and eventually when the Jews return to Israel, which has started happening, Jesus(messiah) will save them from the various lands whose always TRYING to kill them , and in that they will realize Jesus is the messiah.

 

[blackivy393]

Hello Elizabeth,

Thanks for your answers.

But please don't forget what brother bluegazer mentioned about the bible. read carefully what he mentioned about the contradictions in the different versions. The bible is distorted.

let's take for example the verse about speaking in tongues which you mentioned. It's exactly ( mark 16:17). Verses 9-20 from Mark 16 are not mentioned in early manuscripts.

I think you have to take time to think about the distortion of the bible.

I remember a debate between Ahmad Deedat and Pastor Stanley. It was time of asking Question from the public. One of the people in the public asked Pastor Stanley to drink poison. This person got poison and gave it to Pastor Stanley. he read the verse from the bible:

and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all. (mark 16:18)

I have searched on youtube to find the film and i found it alhamdullilah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwXtzcGs0xs

You don't have to watch the whole film. You can watch from 163:4

My advise to you is: be aware of the distortion of bible

I have a Question:

If you say you can speak in new tongues ( Mark 16:17) are you also able to drink deadly poison ( mark 16:18) ?

Thanks,

Imad

well actually since the oldest copy of the new testament found which dates around 200 ad doesnt contain st matthew or st mark, are you comparing the bible we have now to the complete addition dated 325 ad ?

can we people use other sources instead of youtube, wikipedia, al-jazerra... etc.

well let me ask you this, do you really think with all the problems in the world with starvation, wars, Jesus is going to come down kills pigs and destory a symbol that christians didnt start to wear to about a century or two after his death??? i guess allah told him this cross thing existed

 

[Munawar]

well actually since the oldest copy of the new testament found which dates around 200 ad doesnt contain st matthew or st mark, are you comparing the bible we have now to the complete addition dated 325 ad ?

can we people use other sources instead of youtube, wikipedia, al-jazerra... etc.

well let me ask you this, do you really think with all the problems in the world with starvation, wars, Jesus is going to come down kills pigs and destory a symbol that christians didnt start to wear to about a century or two after his death??? i guess allah told him this cross thing existed

Dear blackivy393,

Before I answer I have this question-- If this Cross is a symbol that Christians didn't start to wear to about a century or two after his death --- then why they even started to wear it anyway ??? Why today these people called Christian put this CROSS around their neck, kiss it, make cross on their chests, and put cross all over their religious buildings specially if this thing is such a fake and useless thing? Doesn't it tell you something about the believe system of the followers. And I think you brought up a very good point about Christians creating things from nowhere and then think it is a holy thing, and I will expand on this after I answer your question.
Answer: Jesus (PBUH) will break the CROSS and kill the swine as a sign that whatever wrong things people have started to believe and do on his name after his departure are coming to an end. And they WILL come to an end. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran that by the time Issa (Jeses) will die (after his second coming) there will be no Christian or Jew left on this earth. Subhan Allah!

i guess allah told him this cross thing existed

No. Allah told Mohammad (PBUH) who knew CROSS existed, that Issa (PBUH) will break it.


The point you brought up is a very good point about Christians doing things which were never prescribed in revelations. And I will say it bluntly even if someone mind it, the point is that Christianity is a totally man made religion. It is as artificial as any artificial thing can be. It is a hodge podge of stuff made from different visions and dreams/nightmares. It doesn't follow any principle, no consistency at all in this religion. And Honestly! Only God knows how a person of intellect swallows it.

Before you get furious let me say the following:

• 
  If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians started to pay respect to Cross about a century or two after Jesus? Because someone started it, just like Christmas tree.

• 
  If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians eat pork which is forbidden in the old testament and Jesus himself never ate pork nor he changed this law in his life time.? Because someone had a vision. Wow... Is a vision/dream of Paul or Peter has precedence over the law came from God thru a Prophet. Any person with a little common sense can tell you that an order given by higher authority CANNOT be superseded by a lower authority (if it was at all an authority). But Christians do that, why? because there is no rhyme or reason in Christianity. Sorry... But it is true.

• 
  If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why they think Jesus is God? If there was really a God or even a son of God and believing on him was crucial for salvation then why this was not mentioned in the earlier books. When Adam (PBUH) was created we hear nothing about Jesus (a God or son of God), So many prophets came Noah, Lot, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon etc etc (PBUT all), but no one ever mentioned that there is a Son of God and if you don't believe on him then won't get any salvation. Actually this must be the first commandments of God given to Moses (PBUH). But still Christians believe on it, why? Because someone after Jesus said it. Even though Jesus himself never said it and it is not written in (this so much modified) Bible that Jesus has ever said that he was son of God or ordered to worship him.

• If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why in the Council of Nicea (more than 300 year after Jesus) it was bunch of men who were deciding which book to keep which book to toss, which text to keep which text to delete or add.

• If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Who created the concept of "original sin", "Trinity" and other strange concepts. None of these creative concepts ever existed before. They were artificially created in the Council of Nicea to fix something, i.e. why God sent his Son to die. This is just like to hide a lie one has to lie many more times. More fabrication to justify previous fabrications. What can be more artificial than that?

• If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why all of their symbols are so fake. Christmas Day - This was actually a birthday of a pagan goddess, no one knows the real birthday of Jesus. Santa Claus - Need I say some thing? Easter Bunny and its Egg? Wow... Is there anything more artificial than that?

• If Christianity is not an artificial religion then: Why Christians stopped circumcision? It was made compulsory in the Old Testament and Jesus himself was circumcised (imagine All Mighty God being circumcised) yet it was abolished on a vision or dream of a low ranking person. Just imagine in a company a low ranking officer changing orders of CEO after having a dream. This can only happen in Christianity!

I can go on and on but I don't want to. I have to sleep now. But I will say this to blackivy393, Look... I don't want to burn in hell fire and so if Christianity didn't have so many flaws and was a right religion I have studied it enough that I would have accepted it. But it is not. Islam tells you why you are here on earth. You are here to be tested. The test started from Adam (PBUH). Why do you think that TREE was even there where Adam and Eve were? To show that human being can make mistakes and sins, but then they can repent too and Allah will accept their repentance if they are sincere and Allah wanted to send billions and billions of men and women to this test center in the form of off-springs to be tested, and so he invented this cycle of life and death.
In the next world (actually the universe) there won't be any death and so the reward will be eternal and the punishment will eternal too. Therefore for those who reject the message of Allah despite it is being so logical and simple the punishment of hell fire will be ... I don't want to say much about it, because I know it will be horrible.

So, please compare the message of Islam with Christianity, you will surely see the difference if you are sincere and honest to yourself.

 

[Imad]

hello Elizabeth,

You didn't answer my Question. So please answer my question.

can we people use other sources instead of youtube, wikipedia, al-jazerra... etc.

Oke read this:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=48&chapter=16&version=31

There is mentioned the following:

((The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.))

So i am sorry if you think i am harsh.

So please answer my Question first:

If you say you can speak in new tongues ( Mark 16:17) are you also able to drink deadly poison ( mark 16:18) ?

You gave me the impression your are not able to answer my question.

Thanks,

Imad

 

[Hasibah]

Every born-again Christian claims to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Apparently, using the power of the Holy Spirit, these Christians are able to see visions, speak in tongues / languages, and interpret different dreams and visions.



PLEASE EXPLAIN WHETHER THESE GIFTS ARE FROM ALLAH or NOT??

I will just say this..the mind is a very powerful tool. Power of suggestion. Nothing more.

 

[Mairo]

Salaam Munawar,

Well done, your response in post #95 was great!

[29.46] And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.


BlackIvy,

well let me ask you this, do you really think with all the problems in the world with starvation, wars, Jesus is going to come down kills pigs and destory a symbol that christians didnt start to wear to about a century or two after his death??? i guess allah told him this cross thing existed

Those are not the only things that Jesus will do upon returning. One of the main things is that he will rule with Justice.

You might be interested in reading more hadiths on the subject, a compilation of some of them can be found here:

http://www.signsofthelastday.com/hadiths_09.html

 

[Mairo]

My dear once again, here you made a....
Of cours there is differences between men! a man is superior than other by his TAQWA, KNOWLEDG OF ISLAM, BEING A ISLAMIC SCHOLAR and so on.
What we should say that there is not superiority between any of the ROPHETS PBU THEM (NO COMPARAISON BETWEEN ORDINARY MUSLIM AND PRPHETS PBH THEN).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mairo

No man is superior to another. That is one of the beauties of Islam. - agreed

Salam Jamafg,

Yes, you are correct and I appreciate you posting that. My statement was an simply agreeing with what Mirajmom had stated in the post above mine, "No man is superior to another. That is one of the beauties of Islam." I understood her meaning to be that no man is superior in terms of wealth, status, class, race, etc.

I have started a new thread in the Turn to Islam Lounge portion of the forum, with the title "Bluegazer, Jamafg et al . . . discussion continuation" in order to continue discussing some of the other topics that were brought up on this thread that do not have to do with the original subject regarding Dawah to Born Again Christians. I hope to continue the discussion with you there!

 

[Sa'diyah]

asaalam alaikum

when I read the reply of jamafg I was totally knocked off my feet. How can someone even dare say that God does not love you if you are not a muslim? Give me a Quranic verse on this. Do you go around telling people that Allah (swt) does not love them! I think you better check yourself. Is it easy for you to convert to christianity or any other religion besides yours. NO. Then that goes the same for other believers, they do not find it easy to convert to Islam. Religion is part of our upbringing. (most of the time) it is like our culture, race. If your grandparents were christians, most likely your parents are christians, therefore more the likely that you will be a christian. With very few exceptions. The same with muslim grandparents, your parents will be muslim and you most likely are to be a muslim. Can we stop thinking that we are holy.

I will give you an example, what do you think about mother Theresa? She was a great human being. Yes she was. She did so much good to humanity. So you say God does not love her because she was a Catholic and not a muslim. Have you done half of what she has done? Then why does Allah(swt) love you and not her. because you are a muslim? You should be ashamed of your self for saying that. I am disappointed in you as a muslim for saying such horrible things. I have never met a Christian, Catholic, Jew, Buddist, Hindu etc that ever said God Does NOT love a non-muslim.

Right now I am feeling so hurt, I cannot even say anything else.